From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: smtpmail and ~/.authinfo Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:21:36 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87pqio69lr.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <83ippsqsz8.fsf@gnu.org> <83hb5ay1rs.fsf@gnu.org> <87litc7qen.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316956921 15196 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2011 13:22:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:22:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 25 15:21:58 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oea-0001sk-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:21:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40914 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oeZ-0007Wz-DG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:21:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:33475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oeX-0007Wc-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oeW-0003gW-K5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:21:53 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oeW-0003gS-A6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oeV-0001r6-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:21:51 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:21:51 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:21:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 38 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ILdvPyBilo+F1WVrmv/tpgilGq0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144278 Archived-At: On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:48:07 -0400 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:33:20 -0500 >> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Thus the Emacs format is backwards compatible but older netrc consumers >> can't necessarily read our tokens, so I think it's OK that we go further >> and explicitly allow Unicode characters through UTF-8. Would it make >> sense, then, to explicitly use utf-8 or auto-guess for the encoding >> instead of raw-text? EZ> Only if either (a) we encode the responses we send to the SMTP server EZ> during handshake, or (b) SMTP servers support UTF-8 encoding in the EZ> strings they expect to receive. EZ> Lars said "encoding is local", which suggest that neither of the above EZ> is true. raw-text leaves the byte stream unchanged, and only converts EZ> the EOL, so a netrc file encoded in some locale-specific way has a EZ> better chance with SMTP servers from the same locale. EZ> IOW, to answer your question, someone who knows more than I do about EZ> communications with SMTP servers should tell us how, if at all, EZ> non-ASCII characters are supposed to be handled when communicating EZ> with the server. I don't think the SMTP interaction should not be the critical factor here. The SMTP library should deal with invalid (for SMTP) characters on its side; many other libraries and protocols use `auth-source-search' that can handle non-ASCII characters. In other words, let's not limit the capabilities of `auth-source-search' just because one of the users can't handle non-ASCII. I think authinfo/netrc files should be portable and support Unicode in a way that enables other (older or new!) software to use them too. IMHO enforcing UTF-8 encoding is the best way to achieve that. Ted