From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:13:23 +0900 Message-ID: <87pqdqxebg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328667210 16005 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 02:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'egnarts-ms' , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 03:13:29 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rux2G-0008Rb-Bq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:13:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38349 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rux2F-0006BS-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:13:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:34399) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rux2E-0006BL-02 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:13:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rux2C-00027u-Ig for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:13:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:53591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rux2C-00026x-73 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831B9707EA; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:13:23 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14DBB1A282A; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:13:23 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" e6b5c49f9e13 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148343 Archived-At: Nix writes: > On 7 Feb 2012, Stefan Monnier said: > > >> I've never understood what's wrong with including cl.el, nor why the > > > > The main issue is namespace. If someone goes through the code to rename > > it all to "cl-*", then we won't need to avoid using it. > > Aha. I'd agree with *that*: it's always been hellishly unclear which > things are in cl or not. Oh, s**t. *We* do *not* agree, since we're moving in the direction of exact Common Lisp conformance for the subset of features we provide (I think Aidan has the intention of reducing cl.el to ;;; cl --- Common Lisp emulation for Emacsen (provide 'cl) ;;; end of cl.el in the near future). Not that anybody on this list *should* care about that, but just in case.... ;-)