From: Andreas Leha <andreas.leha@med.uni-goettingen.de>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: org-exp-bibtex missing in git?
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:38:17 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppzcfy2e.fsf@med.uni-goettingen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87ppzgusem.fsf@gmail.com
Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Andreas Leha <andreas.leha@med.uni-goettingen.de> writes:
>
>> Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi Vikas,
>>>>
>>>> François Allisson <francois@allisson.co> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> org-exp-bibtex, because of its dependency on the old exporter, was first
>>>>> moved from contrib/lisp to contrib/oldexp during the process of
>>>>> migration towards org new exporter. And yesterday, the directory
>>>>> contrib/oldexp was eventually removed[1].
>>>>
>>>> Yes. What features of org-exp-bibtex.el would you need that you don't
>>>> have with the current version of Org (from the master branch)? It will
>>>> help knowing what to implement.
>>>
>>> It would be good to integrate citations in export framework, so we do
>>> not rely on an external tool and \cite{...} constructs.
>>>
>>> We already got rid of \ref{...}.
>>>
>>> Maybe something like [cite:....]. org-element could parse this, and
>>> ox.el provide some tools to access data. Then each back-end could deal
>>> with them.
>>>
>>
>> This would be truly *awesome*. This is the major barrier blocking truly
>> cross-backend export.
>>
>> The data would be still from bibtex files?
>
> No idea.
>
> That's why specifications must be discussed first. What [cite:...]
> entries (if we agree on that syntax) should provide?
>
>
> Regards,
Some thoughts on this.
For me, citations are more than links but also include information on
formatting (\citep) and on what to use in the citation (\citeauthor).
I am not sure on how far an org-mode implementation of citations should
go, but from a LaTeX-targeted view, they could support
1. different citation commands (\cite, \citep, ..., \footfullcite)
2. pre- and postnotes
so that it'd be possible to have something like this generated in LaTeX
export:
\footfullcite[prenote][postnote]{key}
Eric suggested/uses this format (thanks for sharing, Eric):
[[cite:jones-etal-2000][Jones et al., 2000]]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
key displayed in org
So, a possible extension of that could, for instance,
use a third pair of [] as in
[[cite:jones-etal-2000][Jones et al., 2000][[citationcommand][prenote][postnote]]]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
key displayed in org
If org only supports \cite (or only \cite and \citep), for serious
writing I'll still have to use LaTeX commands.
On the other hand, since I don't (yet?) see a chance to support any of
that for a different backend than LaTeX it might be overengineered to
support these at org-modes side?
Regards,
Andreas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-03-06 13:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-03 7:06 org-exp-bibtex missing in git? Vikas Rawal
2013-03-03 10:39 ` François Allisson
2013-03-03 17:11 ` Bastien
2013-03-03 17:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-03-03 20:00 ` Andreas Leha
2013-03-03 20:42 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-03-04 9:29 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-03-06 13:38 ` Andreas Leha [this message]
2013-03-06 18:25 ` Bastien
2013-03-06 18:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-03-06 21:16 ` Andreas Leha
2013-03-06 22:55 ` Bastien
2013-03-06 23:37 ` Andreas Leha
2013-03-07 8:32 ` Bastien
2013-03-07 8:44 ` Andreas Leha
2013-03-07 5:38 ` aaronecay
2013-03-07 8:54 ` Eric S Fraga
2013-03-07 10:21 ` Bastien
2013-03-07 11:04 ` Aaron Ecay
2013-03-07 11:16 ` Bastien
2013-03-07 12:03 ` Aaron Ecay
2013-03-07 13:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-03-07 15:28 ` Bastien
2013-03-07 17:39 ` Achim Gratz
2013-03-07 22:06 ` Bastien
2013-03-07 22:46 ` Achim Gratz
2013-03-07 23:37 ` Rasmus Pank Roulund
2013-03-07 23:43 ` Rasmus
2013-03-08 0:10 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-08 9:27 ` Rasmus
2013-03-08 17:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-08 19:32 ` aaronecay
2013-03-08 19:40 ` Rasmus
2013-03-08 19:29 ` aaronecay
2013-03-09 9:28 ` Bastien
2013-03-19 5:02 ` Aaron Ecay
2013-04-18 10:58 ` Bastien
2013-03-09 15:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-03-09 16:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-09 16:12 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-09 17:08 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-07 10:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 13:34 ` Andreas Leha
2013-03-04 4:40 ` Vikas Rawal
2013-03-04 13:55 ` Suvayu Ali
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