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From: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse)
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving?
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:09:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppsx8quf.fsf@motoko.kusanagi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAJR3QneueYbgX0NZ=5j82Mp13PFMxochQ0bHBUACzy5vfszjXw@mail.gmail.com

Jorge,

Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto <jorgepeixotomorais@gmail.com> writes:

> http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=emacs editor,eclipse ide
>
>   Since 2004 Eclipse (Emac's primary competiton for my use case) has
> lost some 71% of its "trendiness" according to Google.  But Emacs has
> lost more, dropping from 25 to 4 (84% less).
>
>   Does this Google Trends graph reflect reality?

I don't think Google Trends is an accurate measure of how many people
are using Emacs, because Emacs is largely self-documenting, not just
through the Info manuals but also from the dynamically generated
documentation from Elisp programs themselves.  So I would expect Emacs
users to Google their programming environment far less than editors of
other platforms.

>   I am worried because I have personally met only one other Emacs user
> (not counting people I only talked to via the Internet).  Of course,
> popularity is far from the only criteria, I don't have to obey fashion
> (if I did, I wouldn't be using GNU/Linux).  But I do want my
> development environment to be reasonably active, improving and well
> supported.  Can I reasonably trust Emacs to be active and improving by
> 2018?  At least as a LaTeX editor, IDE for C++, Python, Javascript and
> Java, and general text editor.
>
>   Thank you for your attention.  Sorry for any bad English, I am Brazilian.

I think that Emacs is one of very few pieces of software which we can
expect will still be active and improving by 2018.  This prediction is
based on its last 30 years of steady development (40+ if we count the
many non-GNU Emacsen).  It has a longer development history than most
operating systems running people's personal computers, and it continues
to evolve, both in terms of user experience as an editor and in terms of
extensibility as one of the most popular Lisp runtimes.  Some time
before 2018 we can hopefully see the fruition of features currently
being developed such as integration with the Guile runtime [1] and full
concurrency. [2]

I think the Emacs developer community is currently experiencing a
renaissance.  See http://j.mp/emacs2013videos for what some Emacs Lisp
developers are working on right now, from the London Emacsconf this
year.

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://git.hcoop.net/?p=bpt/emacs.git;a=summary

[2]  http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/emacs/concurrency/files

--
Regards,
WGG




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2013-08-26 22:43 Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  0:05 ` Perry Smith
2013-08-27  0:25   ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  9:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-08-27 23:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28  3:03   ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-08-29  0:39     ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 20:19 ` Ken Goldman
2013-08-29  0:25   ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-28 20:53   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-03 19:25     ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3330.1380828355.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-03 19:58       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 21:09 ` W. Greenhouse [this message]
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2013-08-28 21:55   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  2:04     ` Kevin Montuori
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2013-08-29  2:55       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  3:06         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  7:59     ` W. Greenhouse
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2013-08-29 20:53       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 21:05         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.992.1377810361.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 21:24           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 23:37             ` Drew Adams
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2013-08-30  0:25               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 22:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30  1:32     ` MBR
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2013-08-30  2:26       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 11:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-30 12:21     ` Ludwig, Mark
2013-08-30 13:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-29 23:50 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
     [not found] ` <mailman.997.1377820262.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:28   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  1:23     ` Jorge
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2013-08-30  2:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 16:24         ` Jorge
2013-10-04 11:30 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-10-04 21:59   ` Jude DaShiell
2013-10-04 23:16     ` Bob Proulx
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2013-10-04 23:35       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-06 12:07         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-06 21:50           ` Evans Winner
2013-10-09 19:41             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  4:27               ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3736.1381379296.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10  5:25                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10  8:24                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 22:18                     ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-11 10:39                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 10:36                   ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-10 11:00                     ` Rainer M Krug
2013-10-10 15:16                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-10-11 11:06                       ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-12 22:01                         ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-14 11:04                           ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-14 16:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 19:25                             ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-15 11:30                               ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.4032.1381836640.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:56                                 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-14 21:54                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-15  6:27                                 ` Bob Proulx
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2013-10-15 17:50                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-16  4:56                                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17  1:45                                       ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-13  2:36                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 13:04                   ` Carson Chittom
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2013-10-10 20:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-10 20:57                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 10:56                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-11 19:06                         ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-12  7:48                           ` Andreas Röhler
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2013-10-12 20:24                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 23:54                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  0:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  5:58                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
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2013-10-11 17:20                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-09 19:31           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  2:28             ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 21:30         ` Tom Davey
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3718.1381354235.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-09 21:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 16:24         ` henry atting
2013-10-11  5:19         ` Eric Abrahamsen
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2013-10-04 17:45   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-04 19:28     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3429.1380914709.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 20:18       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-08 11:36     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 19:43       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.815.1377561963.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 14:47   ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 15:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 17:52       ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 18:13     ` Alex Schroeder
2013-10-13 19:23       ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-08-27  1:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-27 23:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:20   ` Marko Vojinovic
2013-08-28  1:56     ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-28  1:59       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:35   ` Marc Weber
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2013-08-28  1:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  3:25       ` Marc Weber
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2013-08-28  4:08         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-28 20:48           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 20:37         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  1:39   ` Jorge
2013-10-12 13:39 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 15:30   ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 20:39   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-12 20:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 20:58     ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-12 21:01     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 21:14       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 21:15       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 13:33         ` Kai Großjohann
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2013-10-13 15:25           ` Emanuel Berg

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