From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:14:30 +0900 Message-ID: <87pppwgbp5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87r4adfwot.fsf@earlgrey.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384841696 11487 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2013 06:14:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Christopher Allan Webber Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 19 07:15:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VieaS-00033U-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 07:15:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47284 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VieaR-0004o5-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 01:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49160) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VieaI-0004nu-Si for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 01:14:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VieaB-0003uY-JW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 01:14:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:57421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VieaB-0003tp-9V; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 01:14:43 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB75970A0A; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:14:30 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDDFB1A27DD; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:14:30 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87r4adfwot.fsf@earlgrey.lan> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165355 Archived-At: Christopher Allan Webber writes: > There are a lot of reactions on this thread that seem somewhat hesitant > about emacs adding WYSIWIG support, but I suspect it's fear that #2 will > corrupt the lisp machine interfaces that we already know and > enjoy... No, it's not. I doubt anybody on this list fears that a processor to import, edit, and export ODF text documents would be written in anything but well-styled Emacs Lisp, or perhaps some primitives wrapping appropriate libraries with an idiomatic Lisp API. Nor need anybody fear that our much-loved two-handed six-finger CC mode chords will be replaced with four Alt-keys, 3 fixed toolbars, and a plethora of popup context menus and floating toolboxes (that always seem to hide the cursor). None of the people whose cooperation in installing such code would stand for it. The objections I've seen are (1) pragmatic: it's a huge amount of work to support enough ODF to be able to turn to Emacs *first* when you need to edit documents created by office suites and (2) principled: WYSIWYG is the antithesis of accessible. > But we can probably add some tooling that will make emacs more > friendly and accessible to newcomers without hurting the things we > already have. Been there, done that, failed so dismally they took back the T-shirt. :-) Try grepping the archives for "make cua(-mode)? the default". :-/