From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why was `transient-mark-mode' turned off for `delete-selection-mode'?
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 09:03:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppfa1rdi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 53f0f206-96ae-423b-a237-294a26f60270@default
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> 2. There are now 4 possible behaviors that a user can
> choose:
>
> a. d-s mode on and t-m mode on
> b. d-s mode off and t-m mode on
> c. d-s mode off and t-m mode off
> d. d-s mode on and t-m mode off
>
> This is a good time to again consider the question of
> what the default behavior should be. It is currently (b).
> I think it should be (a).
>
> (a) is the behavior most new users are used to. It is the
> behavior I have preferred for Emacs, ever since it was first
> available, 20 or so years ago.
>
> (b) is the behavior we have now.
I think it shouldn't.
> I think (a) is the best choice for the default behavior,
> and (d) is arguably the second best choice.
I find myself trying to figure out a good way to unhighlight a selection
half of the time when I am trying to edit a link in a browser or
something that pops up highlighted for some reason. It is total
nuisance behavior without a generally available way to turn the
unasked-for selection off. The other half of the time I inadvertantly
delete material. Sometimes it can be recovered by C-z (depending on the
application). Sometimes not.
Your only argument so far has been "others do it". But that's not, in
itself, a good reason to let Emacs adopt default behavior that gets in
the way of productive work. "Now how do I undo that damage" _is_ a
distraction from whatever you have been doing. I do get this in Emacs
when accidentally typing C-w (rather than C-e or something). But typing
C-w accidentally does not occur as frequently as, well, typing anything
at all.
> But even then many of them interact with programs (e.g.
> web browsers) that have the behavior of (a).
In my case, that interaction involves a lot of swearing.
> 3. Besides having the limitation of not being able to just
> type to replace the region text, the current situation
> suffers from treating mouse selection exceptionally.
> A mouse selection has the deletion behavior of d-s mode,
> but without its type-to-replace behavior.
Are you sure about that? Like, really sure?
--
David Kastrup
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-05 7:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-25 20:07 Why was `transient-mark-mode' turned off for `delete-selection-mode'? Drew Adams
2014-09-04 19:50 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-04 20:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-04 21:15 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-04 21:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-04 21:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-05 1:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-05 3:01 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-05 7:03 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-09-05 16:01 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-05 16:14 ` David Kastrup
2014-09-05 17:04 ` Drew Adams
2014-09-05 17:22 ` David Kastrup
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