From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:28:21 +0900 Message-ID: <87ppa4uaay.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422070131 31201 80.91.229.3 (24 Jan 2015 03:28:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 24 04:28:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YErOz-0000Ac-GI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 04:28:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33911 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YErOy-0002Bk-Ne for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38629) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YErOj-0002BU-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:28:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YErOf-0005j3-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:28:33 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:43103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YErOf-0005iN-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:28:29 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A9D1C396F; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:28:22 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D38531A2D18; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:28:21 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181711 Archived-At: Kelly Dean writes: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I tend to agree. I also agree that "default" is worse than "global", but "global" is not obviously appropriate (to me anyway, obviously Kelly likes it fine). > > This "default-value" and "setq-default" dates back to the very > > beginning of time, tho. >=20 > Would renaming them be acceptable, so long as the old names are > kept as aliases for backward compatibility? I don't think the names > =E2=8C=9Cglobal-value=E2=8C=9D, =E2=8C=9Csetq-global=E2=8C=9D, and =E2= =8C=9Cset-global=E2=8C=9D would cause any > confusion with any other concepts in Emacs, and they're unlikely to > conflict with anybody's custom code. Please don't. Buffer-local values are global values in the usual sense that they are instance-wide and can be accessed in local context if not shadowed by let-bindings and the like. I understand your mileage varies, but I don't think it's a big enough improvement to justify having an alias, with neither being deprecated. And I definitely don't think it's a big enough improvement to justify obsoleting the "default" versions.