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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:28:21 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppa4uaay.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rjy59Q15KrPtXJp41z50KlWKT5ls2JFr8EcJAZsMB4U@local>

Kelly Dean writes:
 > Stefan Monnier wrote:
 > > I tend to agree.

I also agree that "default" is worse than "global", but "global" is
not obviously appropriate (to me anyway, obviously Kelly likes it
fine).

 > > This "default-value" and "setq-default" dates back to the very
 > > beginning of time, tho.
 > 
 > Would renaming them be acceptable, so long as the old names are
 > kept as aliases for backward compatibility? I don't think the names
 > ⌜global-value⌝, ⌜setq-global⌝, and ⌜set-global⌝ would cause any
 > confusion with any other concepts in Emacs, and they're unlikely to
 > conflict with anybody's custom code.

Please don't.  Buffer-local values are global values in the usual
sense that they are instance-wide and can be accessed in local context
if not shadowed by let-bindings and the like.  I understand your
mileage varies, but I don't think it's a big enough improvement to
justify having an alias, with neither being deprecated.  And I
definitely don't think it's a big enough improvement to justify
obsoleting the "default" versions.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-24  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-23  2:59 Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-24  0:41   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24  0:48     ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-01-24  3:28     ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2015-01-24  8:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:32         ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-24 10:30       ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-24 11:03         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-24 23:24           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-25  9:16             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-26  3:52               ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-26  8:28                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-05-22  3:44 [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely Kelly Dean
2013-11-23 13:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-21 12:11   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-21 15:04     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22  5:43       ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-22  8:20         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-23 13:20           ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-23 14:09             ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-01-24  3:08             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-24 23:30               ` Elisp terminology (was: Re: [PATCH] Desktop mode saves mark-ring too verbosely) Kelly Dean
2015-01-25  9:49                 ` Elisp terminology David Kastrup

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