From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:28:44 +0900 Message-ID: <87pp4kwp83.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> <87y4j9w34v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558AD16F.7030208@yandex.ru> <87vbedvsv2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558B02BD.7060908@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435195743 1532 80.91.229.3 (25 Jun 2015 01:29:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 01:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 25 03:28:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7vyK-0004uX-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 03:28:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53499 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7vyJ-00061c-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:28:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33854) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7vyF-00061J-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7vyB-00086W-UG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:43604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7vyB-00086N-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:28:47 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0E8A1C3976; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:28:44 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7BA01A2CA2; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 10:28:44 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <558B02BD.7060908@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" ffb5abc8dc4e XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187507 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 06/24/2015 09:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > I think Richard will tell you differently, that "competition" with > > other editors, languages, or formats is never a reason for Emacs to do > > something. Cooperation (portability or compatibility) often is, > > though. But you'll have to ask him to get an authoritative statement. > > Again, you're holding on to the wrong word. Then don't use it. That's you talking past me, not the other way around. > Point is, we're trying to solve a minor problem that others have > solved before. Then post a pointer to those solutions or discussions. You can't assume your readers are so familiar with them that the word "competition" will cause useful associations. But AFAIK, no, this is not a problem that others have solved. I've seen the generic "shall we use Unicode characters as syntax" discussed a few times, and to date the conclusion has always been "we can't count on Unicode to be available, so we can't." That's not a solution, that's postponement. And Emacs doesn't have that problem, although apparently some platforms supported by Emacs do (specificly, the Windows command line).