From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: member returns list Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:44:49 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87pp1s9uqm.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> References: <87egicl0y1.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twr4e513.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441766732 15853 80.91.229.3 (9 Sep 2015 02:45:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 02:45:32 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 04:45:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNr-00077u-Qg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:45:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39001 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNs-0003WG-R2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 22:45:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNj-0003Uf-H1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 22:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNg-0003yH-AA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 22:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:48857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNg-0003ww-4K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 22:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZZVNb-0006rd-KC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:44:59 +0200 Original-Received: from amontsouris-654-1-222-185.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.202.93.185]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:44:59 +0200 Original-Received: from pjb by amontsouris-654-1-222-185.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2015 04:44:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: amontsouris-654-1-222-185.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NWExYzkxNzYxOTc4MWVmYjZlNWVhYzRkMmVlMzg5MmUxOWFkOTZjYg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:107097 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe writes: > Emanuel Berg writes: >>> or member* in emacs lisp since RMS doesn't want to >>> rejoin the common community of lispers >> >> What is the story about that? > > I think the Common Lisp vs Emacs Lisp debate is fighting the last war. > > In the past Common Lisp was the only major lisp. Lispers had to use > that and learn it. Using Emacs was natural and if a Lisper did then > that meant learning Emacs Lisp too. An obvious solution to this was to > standardize on Common Lisp for Emacs too. > > Now though there's Clojure. By the looks of things most new Lisp > development is going to be done with Clojure not Common Lisp. There's > also Racket, and I expect quite a bit will be done with that. So, > switching Emacs to Common Lisp won't help much. I wouldn't bet on it. Clojure is not standardized, it is a proprietary programming language. It would be foolish and irresponsible for a corporation to use it, instead of Common Lisp. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ “The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk