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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: member returns list
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:12:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pp1ojppx.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvy4gcgy2k.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.help@gnu.org

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> FWIW, history usually shows that most inventions
> don't depend on one particular person inventing that
> thing, but rather on a particular context making
> that thing desirable/reachable/useful, at which
> point some (set of) people usually invent similar
> things around the same time.
>
> So while the world might look a bit different if
> Smalltalk/Lisp/younameit hadn't been invented, it
> probably wouldn't be all that different since
> someone else would have invented something
> similar anyway.

There is even a science fiction short story about
a guy with a time machine thinking he can go back in
time and make a fortune by inventing all sort of
things that he knows of from the future, only one day
or so before they were actually "invented". And he
fails miserably each time, just because he is so out
of context and his knowledge is only on-the-surface
scholasticism. Just think: everyone knows how a light
bulb works, but everyone doesn't feel as confident
going back to the 1870 to beat Edison to the punch!

Also, this word "invention" is misleading in many
cases. Often it is more about construction. They add
one bolt here and one screw here. With patience, luck,
and skills, in time, someone will stumble in the last
correct screw that will make the construction
something unique. Just like boiling water, the
quantitative difference between say 66 and 67 degrees
Celsius won't matter in isolation, but the same change
- only from 99 to 100 degrees - will make the water
boil - a qualitative difference, in state. Here, we
see that 67-66 = 100-99 = 1, but also that, to get
from 99 to 100 with water of say ~37 degrees, you must
first get up to, and past "66 to 67" before you are
even close to "99 to 100"...

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573




  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-12  3:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-01 15:50 To `boundp' or not to `boundp'? Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-01 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 15:53   ` Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-01 16:42   ` Drew Adams
2015-09-01 17:13     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-01 18:00       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <mailman.331.1441125765.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-01 20:20     ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-01 23:37       ` member returns list (was: Re: To `boundp' or not to `boundp'?) Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:10         ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02  0:27           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:38             ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02  1:17               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  6:21                 ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02 21:20                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]               ` <mailman.370.1441156160.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-03  5:17                 ` member returns list Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-04  0:26                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02 16:45         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-02 21:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02 22:09             ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-09-02 22:11             ` Drew Adams
2015-09-02 22:13             ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-09-04  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-04  6:50                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-09-05 17:35                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-05 17:55                     ` Random832
2015-09-05 18:09                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-05 21:04                         ` Random832
2015-09-06  2:57                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.552.1441475739.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-05 23:39                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-06  2:46                         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-09  1:48                           ` Robert Thorpe
2015-09-09  2:44                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-09  3:19                               ` John Mastro
2015-09-10  0:25                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.557.1441507097.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-06 21:20                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-06 23:33                             ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.598.1441581917.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-06 23:47                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-07  1:29                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-07  2:25                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-09  1:44                                   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-09-10  0:23                                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.793.1441844665.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-10  2:01                                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-10  2:32                                         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                           ` <ECCA0E56-A051-4D38-8CBB-6CE9208BB047@openmailbox.org>
2015-09-11  1:32                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  1:46                                               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.797.1441852386.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-10  4:21                                           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-10 18:09                                             ` Alex Kost
2015-09-11  1:01                                               ` Random832
2015-09-11  1:28                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:01                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:52                                                     ` Random832
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.890.1441936900.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11  2:27                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:10                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  2:37                                                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2015-09-11  1:03                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  0:57                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-11  5:42                                               ` tomas
2015-09-12  0:18                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  8:12                                                   ` tomas
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.897.1441950163.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11 23:29                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:20                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.966.1442016910.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  2:01                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  3:26                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  7:50                                                       ` tomas
2015-09-12  2:03                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  2:45                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-12  3:12                                                         ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2015-09-12  3:31                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                       ` <mailman.972.1442025961.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  6:16                                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12 23:38                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-13  8:03                                                             ` tomas
2015-09-14  1:31                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.1016.1442100597.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  0:09                                                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-13  0:24                                                               ` John Mastro
     [not found]                                                               ` <mailman.1019.1442103883.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  4:29                                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-16  0:01                                                               ` computer history (was: Re: member returns list) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                       ` <mailman.978.1442028310.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-12  6:18                                                         ` member returns list Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12 23:56                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.1018.1442101697.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-13  0:20                                                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-14  1:24                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-12  2:04                                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  3:15                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-12  7:40                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.884.1441933051.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-11  2:26                                               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-12  0:16                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-07  2:38                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-09-07  2:37                             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.502.1441349470.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-04 17:26                   ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-05 17:40                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-09-02  0:40       ` member (was: Re: To `boundp' or not to `boundp'?) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.363.1441150201.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 16:25         ` member returns list " Barry Margolin
2015-09-02 21:35           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.426.1441229773.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 22:56             ` Barry Margolin
2015-09-02 23:23               ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.368.1441153951.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-03  5:19         ` member Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-09-04  0:24           ` member Emanuel Berg
     [not found]     ` <<barmar-B5D67F.16201001092015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
2015-09-01 20:42       ` To `boundp' or not to `boundp'? Drew Adams
2015-09-02  2:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 15:26   ` Alexander Shukaev
2015-09-02 16:51     ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.410.1441212753.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-02 20:00       ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] <mailman.719.1441763081.19560.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-09-09 15:03 ` member returns list Barry Margolin
2015-09-09 19:44   ` Ted Zlatanov

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