From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:03:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87pp0fm0j3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <87io6dl0h0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhb82qxc.fsf@gmail.com> <87oag4jk74.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2qrki45.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737xf9je9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445000446 14767 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2015 13:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 15:00:42 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4ca-0000Ec-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:00:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53457 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4cZ-0005C0-ND for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57545) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4cA-0005Ap-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4c6-0005SV-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54572) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4c6-0005SR-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from pluto.bordeaux.inria.fr ([193.50.110.57]:40028 helo=pluto) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zn4c6-0003t9-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:00:02 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 25 =?utf-8?Q?Vend=C3=A9miaire?= an 224 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x3D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:s50CFDFlN5O65SiQO9hR+OrHcR4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191746 Archived-At: David Kastrup skribis: > Shrug. There is the GUILE branch. In my opinion its largest obstacle > towards acceptance is the failure of GUILE strings to offer a comparable > feature set to Emacs multibyte strings: nothing outside of the Unicode > range, no byte transparent reproduction. OTOH, I imagine Emacs could build its own abstraction, if needed, on top of Guile bytevectors. > This needs an overhaul of GUILE's string handling (which delegates parts > of it to helper libraries, some of those being under control of GNU, > some not). String handling is partly delegated to GNU libunistring. There=E2=80=99s no other library involved. > GUILE's byte compiler is supposed to do a better job than Elisp. It's > still not native, but the layering of GUILE's compiler might make native > code generation more realistic than with Elisp. Agreed. Ludo=E2=80=99.