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[58.161.15.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm1227507pbq.56.2015.11.04.02.37.05 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Nov 2015 02:37:06 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: <8637wmyw2e.fsf@stephe-leake.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:108428 Archived-At: Stephen Leake writes: > I think changing CAPITAL ẞ to "SS" is not strictly a "casing" > issue? Oh, no, it is; a capital Eszett is not at all undebatedly canonical. E.g. Wikipedia calls capital Eszett 'contestable': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%E1%BA%9E This page: http://sites.psu.edu/gotunicode/2008/07/18/a_new_german_unicode_letter_ca/ has some more details, including noting that: "[i]n official German spelling convention, there is NO CAPITAL SHARP S." although in 2010 an exception was made: "However, in 2010 the use of the capital sharp s became mandatory in official documentation when writing geographical names in all-caps." Though i doubt that /all/ usage patterns have adjusted in response to this. Thus, the conservative approach is to assume that 'SS' is indeed /the/ capital form of ß. The above Wikipedia page goes on to note: "As of April 2008, typographers have yet to agree on a standard form for the letter capital ẞ, as they did in 1903 when an association of German printers and type foundries agreed on the 'Sulzbacher Form' as standard for the lowercase ß." Hence the capital Eszett only appearing in Unicode 5.1 - iiuc, due to the 2004 proposal arguing for a capital Eszett in Unicode on the basis that there are typefaces with a capital Eszett now out in the wild - and not appearing at all in ISO-8859-1, even though ß is there. Alexis.