From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:19:53 +0100 Message-ID: <87poxp9kxi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87bn9a8an8.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <5682CA30.904@gmail.com> <5682CC68.8070205@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451413213 28783 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2015 18:20:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?= Pit--Claudel , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 19:20:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysU-0006Sw-6A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:20:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49668 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysT-0002We-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:20:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40035) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysG-0002WS-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:19:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysF-0007a8-P9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:19:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60370) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysE-0007Y0-Bg; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:19:54 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56799 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aDysD-00043H-On; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:19:54 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6319BDF87E; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:19:53 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <5682CC68.8070205@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:09:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197126 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 12/29/2015 08:00 PM, Cl=E9ment Pit--Claudel wrote: > >> Yet this is precisely what we do, unwillingly: GNU Emacs lack of >> features on GNU Linux (compared to forks available on other systems) >> gives people practical reasons to use a non-GNU Emacs, on a non-free >> platform (that's where Emacs (but not GNU Emacs) works best). >> >> Thus not accepting these MacOS-specific features in GNU Emacs only >> encourages people to prefer a non-GNU fork of Emacs; it doesn't do >> anything to prevent them from switching to a non-free platform. In >> conclusion, instead of using GNU Emacs on a non-free platform, >> people use a non-GNU Emacs on a non-free platform. > > I think we consider people using non-GNU Emacs less of a problem than > people using non-free platforms (or, worse, moving to them). Forks of > Emacs are still libre software, after all. Not if you have to agree to onerous conditions in order to even compile them. Please take a look at the XCode use conditions. --=20 David Kastrup