Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Haines Brown]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 04:59:49PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:

> While we're on the topic of horrible horrible things that I don't want
> to think about, and makes me want to move to a cave and run my own
> transistor-based CPU:
> 
> https://libreboot.org/faq/#microcode
> 
> And more generally, secret chipset firmware: https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel

It seemed obvious years ago that backdoors would be present in CPUs, and
this simply confirms it. I thought the only answer would be a CPU fab in
China, because _in practical terms_ the backdoor would not be open to
people pointing guns at me or otherwise interested in tracking me.

Does anyone know of plans to produce a CPU other than in the US?

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Stefan Monnier]

> Does anyone know of plans to produce a CPU other than in the US?

What do you mean by "produce"?  Most chips with an ARM processor are
manufactured in China or Korea, AFAIK.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson


        Stefan

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Haines Brown]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 12:28:22PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Does anyone know of plans to produce a CPU other than in the US?
> 
> What do you mean by "produce"?  Most chips with an ARM processor are
> manufactured in China or Korea, AFAIK.

I assume that more important than the manpower and machinery involved is
control over that that manpower and machinery does.

> 
> See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson

Stefan, very interesting.

Sorry to have derailed the thread.

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Haines Brown <haines@histomat.net> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 04:59:49PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
>
>> While we're on the topic of horrible horrible things that I don't want
>> to think about, and makes me want to move to a cave and run my own
>> transistor-based CPU:
>> 
>> https://libreboot.org/faq/#microcode
>> 
>> And more generally, secret chipset firmware: https://libreboot.org/faq/#intel
>
> It seemed obvious years ago that backdoors would be present in CPUs, and
> this simply confirms it. I thought the only answer would be a CPU fab in
> China, because _in practical terms_ the backdoor would not be open to
> people pointing guns at me or otherwise interested in tracking me.
>
> Does anyone know of plans to produce a CPU other than in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_microprocessors
http://russia-insider.com/en/business/russias-mcst-unveils-homegrown-pc-microprocessor-chips/ri6603
http://in.rbth.com/economics/technology/2016/01/14/baikal-t1-microprocessor-to-debut-globally_559343


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Glenn Morris]

Why is this strange thread that was posted to many mailing lists
suddenly being continued on help-gnu-emacs, where it is utterly
off-topic?

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/01/msg00646.html

Were 6 mailing lists not enough?

Re: Libre graphics could become the standard if we push right now

[Yuri Khan]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Pascal J. Bourguignon
<pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

>> It seemed obvious years ago that backdoors would be present in CPUs, and
>> this simply confirms it.
>>
>> Does anyone know of plans to produce a CPU other than in the US?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_microprocessors

You’re not helping!