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[195.14.207.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t205sm18436749wmt.23.2016.02.09.09.02.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 09:02:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bn7qarzs.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Notmuch/0.20.2+113~g6332e6e (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/25.0.50.6 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112809 Archived-At: On Wed, Feb 10 2016 01:16 (+1100), Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Ingo Lohmar writes: > >> Why is this a good idea at all? Timers are always an implementation >> detail, not a user-level feature, as far as I am concerned. We neither >> have a UI for working with all overlays or text properties of a buffer, >> have we? > > Reductio ad absurdum isn't very useful as an argumentation technique. On the contrary, it is a very useful argumentation technique, but anyway, it is not the technique I used here. I have just drawn a reasonable (to me) analogy. > > I have often wanted to examine (and cancel) certain timers that are out > of control. Inspecting them without a buffer like this isn't easy. I do not want to prevent you from having those facilities, of course, I just do not believe they belong into Emacs proper; maybe into a 'debug-timers' ELPA-package. It seems to me that timers out of control are simply bugs to find and fix. In any case, this it not something dear to my heart, I just cannot see any reasoning or argument for such functions.