From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Even more Gnus material: we made the paper! Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 02:07:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87povgmihm.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456708116 26961 80.91.229.3 (29 Feb 2016 01:08:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 01:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Dag Holmgren To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 29 02:08:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCK2-0000PU-Bn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 02:08:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33225 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCJy-0007D1-Cu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:08:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCJk-0007Cr-FG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:08:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCJg-0004L3-9R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:08:08 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54038) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCJg-0004Kj-28 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:08:04 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aaCJe-0000I2-Nl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 02:08:02 +0100 Original-Received: from nl106-137-54.student.uu.se ([130.243.137.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 02:08:02 +0100 Original-Received: from embe8573 by nl106-137-54.student.uu.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 02:08:02 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 96 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: nl106-137-54.student.uu.se Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:kNb28NCHBqrb8mCpzTxkDz74HkA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:109363 Archived-At: I've learned a university computer guy in the US, Joshua Braun of Quinnipiac University, Connecticut, has given a "talk" (?) on the computer culture that is us. The talk comes with a four-paragraph text, which is what I've got, so I haven't heard the actual talk. He quotes me thrice, including the title of the talk/text: "Bypassing the web." I only have a vague memory of saying that, but I sure recognize those thoughts and attitudes in general. To be 100% correct, it is actually not "bypassing the web". It is really "getting to the desired data, which is on the web, only not using the conventional GUI programs but our own shell and text tools". But the spirit of the phrase is correct and everyone understands the meaning! And the rest of the text? No comments! I agree. (Except one comment. Read on!) Anyway here is the article as a PDF, as I learned about it: https://ahcsconference.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/braun.pdf But let my "bypass" that for you and supply the text as well :) "Bypassing the Web": Shell Users and Alternative Experiences of the Internet Joshua A. Braun Assistant Professor of Interactive Media, Quinnipiac University "Since I discovered Gnus, I'm not surfing the web at all, almost," writes Emacs user, Emanuel Berg on the help-gnu-emacs mailing list. Emacs, which has existed in a variety of versions and contexts since the 1970s, is a widely used software application for viewing and manipulating code and other text. The software can be — and often is — used from the command line without a mouse or graphical interface. While many software tools are tied to the latest hardware and the release cycle of proprietary operating systems, Emacs' long release history and modest operating requirements allow it to run on computers of almost any age. And while many users employ the application instrumentally as a tool for writing and maintaining software, a subset of that user base "lives in" Emacs, which has been likened to a text-based operating system. Users of Emacs can, with a bit of configuration, take on most of the everyday tasks normally associated with other software, from keeping a calendar to reading news, writing papers, chatting online, sending email, and browsing the web, which the program renders in plain text. As Hacker News user, pmr_ put it, "For some people Emacs acts like a maelstrom for everything you do on a computer." And of course, Emacs is just one of the wide variety of "terminal-" or "shell-based" tools with which users operate their computers and use the Internet without the need for a graphical interface. Emanuel goes on to say he considers himself "text-based" and has largely "bypassed the Web." Other similar accounts can be easily found online of users who prefer "the warm glow of a green screen full of text over the cold blockiness of a graphical interface." Users like these are likely to be highly computer literate [now hang on - "are likely to be"???] — server administrators and programmers, for example, are commonly heavy shell users. And yet the version of tech savviness they display is distinct from the consumeroriented rhetoric around owning the new iPhone or being skilled in the latest enterprise software. The ecosystem of tools, or "modes" that run within Emacs is under active development, but its progress narrative diverges from that found in the surrounding commodity culture. This talk would consider these users, their experience of the Internet, and the counternarrative they provide to the planned obsolescence and rhetoric of constant "innovation" that accompanies the rapid release cycle of contemporary Internet devices and services. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573