Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Stefan Monnier]

>     Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork
    
Could we have more meaningful names than "old" and "new"?
E.g. --fg-daemon and --bg-daemon?


        Stefan

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Mark Oteiza]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>     Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork
>     
> Could we have more meaningful names than "old" and "new"?
> E.g. --fg-daemon and --bg-daemon?

Alternatively, an extra flag simply to indicate not to fork the daemon,
perhaps -F for emacs.

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Evgeny Roubinchtein]

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Alternatively alternatively an optional argument to the "--daemon" option
so that, for example "--daemon=foreground" is the no-forking behavior,
whereas plain "--daemon" (for backward compatibility) and
"--daemon=background" (for completeness) are both the forking behavior.

Bikeshedding can be fun. ;-)

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu> wrote:

>
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> >>     Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork
> >
> > Could we have more meaningful names than "old" and "new"?
> > E.g. --fg-daemon and --bg-daemon?
>
> Alternatively, an extra flag simply to indicate not to fork the daemon,
> perhaps -F for emacs.
>
>

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Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Óscar Fuentes]

Evgeny Roubinchtein <zhenya1007@gmail.com> writes:

> Alternatively alternatively an optional argument to the "--daemon" option
> so that, for example "--daemon=foreground" is the no-forking behavior,
> whereas plain "--daemon" (for backward compatibility) and
> "--daemon=background" (for completeness) are both the forking behavior.

From

*info* (emacs) Initial Options

‘-daemon=SERVER-NAME’
     Start emacs in background as a daemon, and use SERVER-NAME as the
     server name.

Curiously that syntax is not mentioned on the output of `emacs --help',
nor it is clear if --daemon=SERVER-NAME is accepted (note the two
hyphens).

IMHO, --fg-daemon or --daemon-fg makes more sense, but then we need
--fg-daemon=SERVER-NAME and -fg-daemon=SERVER-NAME; same for the --bg*
alternative.

> Bikeshedding can be fun. ;-)

Then you are on the right place.

An we are entering in a combinatorial explosion. We have bikeshedding
material until New Year's Eve and beyond!

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Glenn Morris]

I'm not attached to the old- and new- names. Anyone should feel free
to change them. I used "new" because
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/daemon.html
distinguishes between "sysV" and " new-style" daemons.

I actually started with "--daemon-fg" and "--daemon-bg", but the Emacs
argument parsing code can't handle one argument (ie "--daemon") being a
prefix of another. If someone fixes argmatch to prefer an exact match to
a prefix match, those would work.

"--fg-daemon" and "--bg-daemon" sound fine to me.

Switches --foreground (I don't think it's worth a short option like -F)
and --background sound fine too.

PS: emacs_devel.txt: seven years for a feature to get implemented,
then overnight 4 people suggest different names for the option. ;)

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Stefan Monnier]

> "--fg-daemon" and "--bg-daemon" sound fine to me.

> Switches --foreground (I don't think it's worth a short option like -F)
> and --background sound fine too.

I think we should have a vote.


        Stefan "just spicing things up a bit"

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[John Wiegley]

>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> "--fg-daemon" and "--bg-daemon" sound fine to me.
>> Switches --foreground (I don't think it's worth a short option like -F)
>> and --background sound fine too.

SM> I think we should have a vote.

I think --daemon and --no-daemon are names I've seen for these flags in other
tools.  I don't think I've ever seen --background, though.

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Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:18:51 -0800
> Cc: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>,
> 	Evgeny Roubinchtein <zhenya1007@gmail.com>,
> 	Emacs Development <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> I think --daemon and --no-daemon are names I've seen for these flags in other
> tools.  I don't think I've ever seen --background, though.

Maybe the foreground "daemon" mode should be triggered by a flag
named --headless, since that's what it really is.

Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[John Wiegley]

>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Maybe the foreground "daemon" mode should be triggered by a flag named
> --headless, since that's what it really is.

That does sound more descriptive.

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Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Philipp Stephani]

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John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 18. Nov. 2016 um
19:44 Uhr:

> >>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Maybe the foreground "daemon" mode should be triggered by a flag named
> > --headless, since that's what it really is.
>
> That does sound more descriptive.
>
>
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4944 suggested "--server".
(Just for completeness; I don't care as long the functionality itself
exists.)

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Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 36b9955: Add --new-daemon, which runs in the foreground and does not fork

[Noam Postavsky]

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not attached to the old- and new- names. Anyone should feel free
> to change them.

I've done so now [1: 75b8492946]. I went with "--fg-daemon" and
"--bg-daemon" because that required the least changes to the
documentation.

[1: 75b8492946]: 2017-05-29 22:18:55 -0400
  Rename '--new-daemon' to 'fg-daemon' and '--old-daemon' to '--bg-daemon'
  http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=75b849294656fd92e77a2a6281ff4dceaaa38475