From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A problem with old bugs Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:28:40 +0100 Message-ID: <87poi19ldj.fsf@jane> References: <87r32h9zj4.fsf@jane> <87efyhcmxz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1488374930 2164 195.159.176.226 (1 Mar 2017 13:28:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 13:28:50 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 0.9.19; emacs 26.0.50 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 01 14:28:45 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cj4J8-0008Ce-HR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 14:28:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj4JE-0008Ud-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:28:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45530) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj4IW-00087r-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj4IT-00049o-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:28:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:39979) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cj4IS-00049j-R3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2017 08:28:00 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A385E65A8 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:27:59 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Pe44WkxtbCn for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:27:56 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7FBD2E630E for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:27:56 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <87efyhcmxz.fsf@zigzag.favinet> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:212677 Archived-At: On 2017-03-01, at 11:26, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () Marcin Borkowski > () Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:22:55 +0100 > > Unfortunately, I have to say that I got very little feedback. > [...] I do understand the main reason (too few developers, > the bugs were not critical), but I have to say that the > situation isn't exactly motivating for me. > > Is there anything that could be done to avoid turning off > people wanting to help with Emacs development? Did I choose > wrong bugs to work on? If so, should I close them as > "wontfix", even though (in 2 cases) there are actual patches > that seem to fix them? > > Do you have write privs to the repo? Nope. What do I do to get them? > If so, perhaps you can find motivation from installing changes > directly and dealing w/ any discussion that ensues, rather than > From positive feedback in discussion pre-commit. This is the > vaunted "better to ask forgiveness than ask permission" model. > Of course, it's not always so much fun discussing one's mistakes > in public but (take it from someone w/ lots of experience making > mistakes :-D), it does get easier w/ practice. Sez Perlis: > > Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. > Success is also easy to handle: You've solved the wrong > problem. Work hard to improve. ;-) > I take from this: Satisfaction (and thus motivation to continue) > comes from the hard work applied towards improvement. What to > improve? Emacs, yourself, Emacs and yourself, Emacs and others. > > If not (no write privs), why not? What are you waiting for? Nobody gave them to me. What should be the workflow once I have them? I assume that I branch off fresh master, push my branch and write here - correct? Best, -- Marcin Borkowski