From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31655: no obvious link to the Lisp Reference Manual Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 08:45:18 +0100 Message-ID: <87pnh8ij5d.fsf@marxist.se> References: <20180528181944.GA32141@gnu.org> <83vab5gjft.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgbzhoqy.fsf@gnu.org> <42350A8B-7E9E-4993-BA4F-A8AD008453AB@scratch.space> <831sdrgdj1.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv6mhv84.fsf@marxist.se> <83mucdomyp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="143074"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: van@scratch.space, 31655@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 08:46:25 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ibJw0-000b3f-Vd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/ASBFvhK39lPh0fliiYo4cBA5u9Qp5y3hwPmzOO3E8Y=; b=F6EhqrtItutFdQLYNUlOR19xsk 3HUcFHzZGx/fVFQbCsChm2s6IbNYg3kxENzbbgvNOfh3wuAFFfYRjkD8pHaeJjW6MHbl41i+8QRcp UClw3srC/S9Z7JIfVkaBURfj7GFsshpFo97qG/gdi2bozKWo4e0TaORGTfDxRAyBxaCwgUz3w82Ct vvek6pmM+d85qyqadcLiJvJ2vvAdECGPIAo2bdvpoq2uopS62Q0cNv72hizo7mDr6aQqfJcY1ClTw qMAEsD10VXzD1DT8g+SPs2RBZYv++xIb128gqDfyjqmqVcZPEY+GiDKULIqkKaEn2hCidBK7k8CQ9 3UwVoaBQ==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:37946 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ibJuz-001HQz-3R; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 02:45:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83mucdomyp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:14:06 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:172693 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html >> >> >> >> Command-F followed by ,lisp ref, results in >> >> >> >> Phrase not found >> > >> > Try "elisp" instead, and Bob's your uncle. >> >> The request here is to have a separate link to the Emacs Lisp >> Reference Manual from that page. I think that request makes sense; in >> any case it definitely can't hurt. > > My point was that there is such a link already there. Search for > "elisp", and you will find it. The OP searched for "lisp ref" for > some reason, and that substring is not present on the page. > Personally, I don't understand the motivation behind that search > string, but that's me. Ah, I see now. Indeed, the suggested search string was "lisp ref". I also wouldn't necessarily expect a beginner to search for that. I was searching on the page for "emacs lisp", which is what I suspect a beginner would go for. I'm also guessing that "elisp" is a shorthand that might be unknown to beginners. > If we are going to add more links to the ELisp manuals (or Emacs > manuals in general), we might as well first come up with a list of > strings people might use while searching that page, because adding > just one random string might not be good enough for the next bug > report. Personally, I think adding a link named "Emacs Lisp Reference Manual" would be enough. Best regards, Stefan Kangas