From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15230: 24.3; Inconsistency in Tools menu Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:27:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87pnfagv50.fsf@marxist.se> References: <87ppsu15jd.fsf@neutrico.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="101759"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 15230@debbugs.gnu.org, "neutrico.pl Marcin Antczak" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 23 16:55:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuep5-000QOi-9n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mJ7PRblxSBPyz+PDRHpcwtnowfO4phwVHVrwI50ycHg=; b=pdWukLw8aPuJYILlxxR5s3swFD BCHh8BT19KofYH/TxN2M8V7BWCxcwE4mSultuwJ45cR/ThNx0zer9Xc504m/kYOdBwKudV5WEbZyZ 7+5g8Ua58PPbc6cZWXmYbIuPomGASWff4A0L87U6EWsntCWhrMaAix4YmpBc6Ro3lHu/sWokWH312 tHJGHVUk/6QW6wSLtiI6kyzSrvKtQXZjSradwldnl6FumhfCfSdwXTZMBgXBc9kgQBlW/6KsqJEZk EM9pc0MOkl+eSOe8BNSNesFP2bty4/n0gNpAujn08p+JcYvRviPbMaNte9NH9DezDXEAWhJxm/yzN Elupo0Bg==; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:54104 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iucWb-0017ht-4g; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 08:27:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2013 01:05:59 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:175156 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> There is "Games" position in "Tools" menu. >> I'm not sure if it should belong to this menu. > > I see your point, but I'm not sure where else to put it. > >> Another problem is that in "Tools" menu there are toggle type buttons >> such as: > >> - Project Support (EDE) >> - Source Code Parsers (Semantic) > >> These options are not "tools". They do nothing functional. They are >> just turning some features on and off but have no immediate >> functional meaning. > >> Another problem is that we have more similar options to add there and >> this could turn into an extensible and almost unlimited list of >> external features available to turn on and off. > > I guess we could move them to Options, but the toggles in Options tend > to be of a different nature (basically UI preferences), whereas the EDE and > Semantic are really toggles to turn on some tool, simply because those > tools aren't quite tuned enough yet to always "just work", so turning > them on unconditionally would lead to complaints. > >> We could add positions such as: >> - Code Browser > > Not sure what package/function/feature that would refer to. > >> - Code Snippets > > These are usually enabled already. > >> - Syntax Checking > > You mean something like flymake? This definitely falls in the same camp > as EDE/Semantic, since it should also ideally be enabled by default, but > there again, it's not polished/robust enough for that. > >> Then we will get a long and hard to navigate list of toggle buttons which >> belong to "Options" menu rather than to "Tools". > > The Options menu is indeed problematic since Emacs has so many options: > we can only keep in it a few options we consider to benefit from such > a position (e.g. to make them easier to find for newcomers, or to make > them easier to toggle at runtime). > >> Another solution is to move this list to submenu. >> For example: >> "Tools" -> "Features >> " > > That sounds like a good idea. Tho it would have the downside that it > would somewhat hide those features. Having read the above 6 year old feature request, I don't see anything actionable here. Stefan M seems to have already answered all relevant points, and there have been no further comments. I'll give it a couple of weeks, so anyone interested will have a last chance to chime in, and then I'm closing this bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas