From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:52:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87pnc1rzjn.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1wi7a8o.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="108907"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Tim Cross , Stefan Kangas , =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Gendre , Emacs developers To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 21 10:53:22 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQoeg-000SDu-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:53:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54034 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQoef-0006BU-RR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 04:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQodz-0005El-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 04:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQodz-0006lX-4t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 04:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.189.82]:39705) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQody-0006j0-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 04:52:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587459157; bh=J6wisrTNJMhVjb8mUN+hfuhnntgS0Rxl/tra0SZC/IA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=sk6g37H8s/WvdhPx+c8HB/zDJtLd7dRAtXqBdT6uYhA3uHSG2SmPGW6LGQcNw5pa5+1eWhRoyUyIUSWCf8jFdHTOaZKKMORO9D7B4JxuzQ8WXK+sAAmSI4LDdJfSzpiCkotsor7+tg9lD/1wE0SdxZvM7MP+dR6UyQy3VprJLUKfnfWk72FuwuRLcW9MS/TpMvE3W7WbvFkb0qTLqc0E4gOqNujwXYJoLiD+HYHttWL7Dr2UWCgw7kRccW69+y4qcE6srEs1XaNbsqvxCB4+W5qovVWiwML6XC5d/wvBGqMx5GzjT8dv14KmzBc4U6Ei9ir3xsJCpxvU5g9k7JAWFg== X-YMail-OSG: zbGTBpAVM1m6CCSWHBpATJL_39zv83rJYoPx26q9tyzLp3NFeBbKfpfTKHYzPuu o3v8E2XwybwFnTLMPoUy1TEwdTIOQChfvgGWBsI0oFgM4B80_3IfTySUgPvubLGZJ7ZdLhQf3c32 BggEIpEgHWMJVk574dgZTilusw0k8QZ9mJWCOcNtLtdnCwmfrEfpoTEc4Vqlz.eBFOpggUpvEQaF epUw3uxjmbz80hdiwtalJ.Akotx5u3pLG6baSVpz2JbImRd8JlHxMs5ACQFLRpr4gDpydtba1.BW 0vxBFOAHOZTsJxSLZsJ5uuh8YZb57zMVfY_I0MJtZe7LQaKzi1qUEUJeXcmOnEpii2fbA_mK09QX tPA2HdlilToq5XT8uBlhrKE5pKD4ce_jOdouoxW4D2q40MQuKgAfEJ7YXU1DfqaR1vaBcDXmgn6G k6q9Lyzgg21OjI4dBrnQKvxSVFOH6DdnEUX1pX27aatab8AweeK9SXlQdpOH5aZFRe17ki2rLfpf qrDhqVLGDpjsEaMYqk3L6p1WudN85v6nAN3n2un_3ulva81SbBZdCbm7GdLA90ZisyM5qOl36684 ybPpV9Qd6Qaw7PuMPDxkJ1vBjOarmaXqg5NqUfWbwA.zIDzYgiVjnDjVDIIKwhlSaKeLggj9yVNb pNehTvOyzkio02nm99ipLlwbZGjz9wP835SIjpwxE9XAto6j5F_EJjnaHJN3A65UQbYYvZ2criDh thF1YBejsDBMkKbXPTeK3K_MvdMiJg__QVCg2shLFFgLD4DPh09mPDQfoecHedfgC7UDWkm1xHze q8A2k0khaK72kucTHN_YOxiwC4WpYUIPYDVb8EHyJ9 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:52:37 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp427.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID aaca4a3295639589b08179d024148f46; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 08:52:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:50:36 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15739 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.82; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/21 04:52:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.189.82 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247461 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > For the record, I have a proof-of-concept package for GNU ELPA which > I call `gnu-elpa` and which just adds "most" of the autoloads found in > GNU ELPA packages (along with the corresponding changes to > `auto-mode-alist`), such that `M-x eglot` or opening a smalltalk file > will prompt the user if they want to install the corresponding package. That's interesting. I remember someone working on something similar, but would find autoloads inside any package.el repository (it would download, extract and cache the autoloads from a list of packages beforehand). > It's not as good as activating `eglot` and `company`, but I think such > a `gnu-elpa` package should ideally be bundled with Emacs-28. Yeah, that would be nice.