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X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253725 gmane.comp.kde.devel.pim:75010 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "AdG" =3D=3D Adriaan de Groot writes: Hi Adriaan, > Hi Uwe, > On Monday, 10 August 2020 18:02:34 CEST Allan Sandfeld Jensen wrote: >> On Montag, 10. August 2020 09:12:12 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote: >> > Uwe Brauer - 10.08.20, 09:02:15 CEST: >> > > The issue concerns an announcement by the gmail developers to drop t= he >> > > option to connect to their IMAP service via name and password, known >> > > as less-secure-apps. The main email reader of GNU Emacs, called gnus >> > > relies on this method. Someone on the GNU emacs developer list >> > > suggested that kmail solved the problem and is able to connect to the >> > > GMAIL imap server using their OAuth2 method. >>=20 >> I would recommend anyone concerned with privacy rights to not use Gmail. >> OAuth2 is just a way for Google to force people to use Google Chrome for >> logging into google services. Thanks for your answer. > There's an intransparent and arbitrary vetting process in place, where Go= ogle=20 > approves an application's access to Google services.=20 > I blogged about the issue, on behalf of Dan Vratil who was doing the actu= al=20 > work of dealing with Google,=20 > https://euroquis.nl/kde/2020/05/12/google.html > https://euroquis.nl/kde/2020/01/13/google.html > I'm sure Dan could describe the process in more detail, but it (slightly= =20 > cynically) comes down to this: > - you will need a Google account *for the application developer*, > - this application needs some API keys, > - this application needs a privacy policy, > - the application + policy must be submitted to the arbitrary process, > - wait anywhere from 3 days to 6 months, > - possibly the application will be allowed to connect to Google services. This is really bad, deadline is in February.=20 So there is quite a bit of work to do and then it all depends on the mercy= of the =C2=ABDark Lord=C2=BB. I am not sure what RMS is going to say about this. Then there is a python based solution published on=20 https://luxing.im/mutt-integration-with-gmail-using-oauth/ Not sure how relevant that could be. 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