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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 18:54:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmt0phj5.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvpmt0wl8x.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:53:55 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> My conclusion is that it all depends and it can't really be decided in
> the abstract.  So, if you show a prototype things will be much
> more clear.

I attached a prototype to the first message?

>         Stefan
>
>
> Philip Kaludercic [2021-09-22 06:48:30] wrote:
>
>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>>
>>>> I am not sure how this would help provide forwards compatibility for
>>>> older versions? Are you proposing that instead of using
>>>> file-name-concat, libraries use compat28-file-name-concat that is
>>>> defined in a library for older versions?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> My intuition would be that this wouldn't be worth the effort, seeing as
>>>> most people would probably hesitate to use such long names.
>>>
>>> If the function is important enough that the author would otherwise make
>>> its own local function, then I think they'd be happy to use that
>>> slightly longer name rather than having their own local definition.
>>>
>>> If not, then it's probably just as well if they simply don't use it
>>> (and that should avoid having the compatibility library accrue
>>> too many definitions of too little value).
>>
>> This I'd describe as compatibility for convenience, but there are also
>> examples where core ELPA implement general algorithms and functionality
>> that could be used elsewhere too (project--buffers-to-kill and
>> project--kill-buffer-check were mentioned as one example last year). But
>> they cannot be factored out, because that would raise the minimal
>> required version. The complementary example are external packages that
>> hesitate to use newer functionality, for the same reason (I already gave
>> the example of the second optional "interactive" argument). The
>> infrastructure may not exist, but for anyone before Emacs 28, this could
>> just be ignored away, while newer users get to keep it.
>>
>>>         Stefan
>>>
>

-- 
	Philip Kaludercic



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-20 23:35 Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21  0:30 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-21  4:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21  8:28   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 12:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 12:50     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-21 13:38       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:49       ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:00     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 13:28         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:24     ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:50         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 14:59     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 12:58   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:37     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:54       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:18         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 15:02   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 15:40     ` João Távora
2021-09-21 16:10       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 16:22         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 17:22       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 17:29         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 19:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:06       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 21:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-22  6:48           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 17:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-22 18:54               ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2021-09-22 19:15                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:57       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:08         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:16           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:24             ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:25               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:34                 ` João Távora
2021-09-22  6:53           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22  7:12             ` João Távora
2021-09-22  7:14         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:05 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:27 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:45   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:05     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 22:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-21 22:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-22  9:54     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-04 23:00 ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07  7:03   ` Old (static) builds of Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07  7:48     ` Michael Albinus
2021-10-07  7:56       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 12:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 21:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-30 21:21     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-01 13:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:49   ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08  5:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08  9:59       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08 11:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 11:35           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08  7:45     ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-10-08 10:00       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-15 19:08   ` Philip Kaludercic

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