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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286483 Archived-At: Brian Cully writes: Hi Brian, > On 2/19/22 10:05, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I'd be happy to add it to GNU ELPA, but I have a few questions/comments >> some of which may affect this decision, so I haven't done it yet: >> - It's usually spelled "Tramp" rather than "TRAMP", AFAIK. > > The info page for it has it spelled as "TRAMP", although the > link to it from the list in the top-level (from "M-x info") > has it as "Tramp". I assume the former is correct given its > specificity. In tramp.texi, we use @value{tramp}. This variable is declared in trampver.texi as --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- @set tramp @sc{Tramp} --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Therefore, it appears in info pages as "TRAMP". In Elisp docstrings and comments, we use "Tramp". It looks a little bit inconsistent, but it is ... history. This texinfo variable was declared long before I've ever heard about Tramp. >> - Any reason why you want to have it as a separate package rather than >> add it to Tramp? > > TRAMP provides a plugin capability, which is being used by > other packages, and it's already a behemoth. I see no need to > include this directly within TRAMP itself, as its needs are > perfectly addressed without. I understand your ressentiments. OTOH, living outside the Tramp source tree let you miss changes. For example, Tramp meanwhile doesn't hardcode "/bin/sh" any longer, but uses tramp-default-remote-shell instead. Not a big deal for now, but these little adaptions make a Tramp package more consistent, because you would get such a change for free if your package is bundled with Tramp directly. Best regards, Michael.