From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 08:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: <87pmk4jmgc.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26834"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:1FtQkN9hIR81ByD1n9wJxnq/FeQ= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 17:39:34 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntA9d-0006k6-Ko for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 17:39:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntA9b-0007o2-Gl for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 11:39:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntA5L-0003e5-EZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 11:35:10 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:35232) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ntA5I-00050l-Qp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 11:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ntA5F-0000in-TW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 17:35:01 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137363 Archived-At: Jean Louis writes: > * Emanuel Berg [2022-05-23 00:22]: >> One problem with IRC is the presence of lamers, luckily this >> problem can be solved easily with technology starting with the >> IRC client. Today I learned how to do this with my client, >> ERC: > > 😥 Emacs channel for years has no moderators who moderate by common > sense and police the channel for good behavior, there are no special > rules, and those policies displayed like to avoid discrimination and > asshatery will be quickly broken by those few dominating over larger > group of people there. > > And people participating, often few hundreds of them may think and get > opinion that rude behavior is acceptable -- no it is not normal, there > are many occurences of unfriendly and abusively dominating behavior. > > Some of alpha monkey dominators will switch from channel to channel > after the user and even complain why did that user go to other > channel. They go because of abusive behavior. > > Public come to #emacs for Emacs reasons. They will often find > narcissists' behavior and abuse. Insults and mockery are common. > > #emacs IMHO is not GNU governedchannel, rather it is GNU project > related channel, IMHO, is also not moderated by GNU Kind > Communication Guidelines. > > This is appearing as generalization, as I do not want to mention the > dominators' nick names. > > Some people complain on Libreplanet mailing list on unwelcoming > environments in social networks around free software. I can really > understand such complaints, and I like to point to friendly digital > places for help. IMHO #emacs channel on IRC is such place due to few > dominating parties. This is because dominators live in their own > digital world behind the computer, forgetting about the human beings > on other side of the world. The Emacs channel on Matrix is a pretty reasonable place.