From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akib Azmain Turja Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Morally equivalent Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 10:49:16 +0600 Message-ID: <87pmer9hrn.fsf@disroot.org> References: <87y1tfzhzm.fsf@undisclosedlocation.com> <877d0zfjqa.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36169"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 06:51:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okI5s-0009Bh-Sf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 06:51:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41348 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okI5r-0002cf-DT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:51:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52458) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okI52-0002cI-KZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:57146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okI4z-00027v-J3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2514B4DB99; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 06:50:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b3p6sk0ETZ2x; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 06:50:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1665982218; bh=PfaJeuAgIG/m6pPVz6XVy4cOr1Hc9vOm9UVs6Ga9BQs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=YBKHA1j2fMT7vxEYVFbSZpVwsGWyL4F6hR/ojab0g1uooF7Ol67BBaPdz7K9YipO1 TEG7OC2TafGhTCM9ATCEcgTD7KYszn8AgoiOdZrAH3o7PtY/UXjuHzgdSQ+XKYWKLe mDaCRQwvhRc7M0PpKB7Ij+TuhwXszXJnE1H6udoDfP/SmuKcsDNc3jm3kLKIzfQCsA jX9iV2Ia6r8fJ+yKa0DW8zqzkW6PkeFFdjtA672FpxiXF/SnCuT0b7XdpmQfiWo5cP pHlRUeVa1ylPQo7IMVwgTzBVCQ9joDzB4kyMbHVrPbzNb9LryUoTGee3dIyMNirRe6 rJ7RrrJb3InKQ== In-Reply-To: <877d0zfjqa.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2022 01:10:21 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=akib@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140063 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Heerdegen writes: > Christopher Dimech writes: > >> It is just political nonsense pushed into software. An introductory >> textbook for beginning undergraduates is never serious. And even >> if it was serious, morality does not work. Either it is equivalent, >> or it is not. There is no morality in it. > > I was not familiar with that term (doesn't appear in German) but > understood the doc perfectly. OTOH, if the text said > > This is not equivalent to (setf PLACE (cons NEWELT PLACE)) > > I would not have understood (and it is _not_ equivalent). > > Until someone comes with a better wording we should stop the > Stefan-bashing. Read it as "equivalent in some sense", and good. It's > a text, ok, not a computer program controlling the city traffic. > > Michael. > > This should be: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- This is almost equivalent to (setf PLACE (cons NEWELT PLACE)), except that PLACE is evaluated only once (after NEWELT). =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Anyway, I enjoy occasionally finding things like "morally equivalent" in Emacs. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja Find me on Mastodon at @akib@hostux.social, and on Codeberg (user "akib"). This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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