From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61183: 29.0.60; Add describe-repeat-maps to the manual Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 10:45:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87pmavvxze.fsf@gmail.com> References: <86pmawgl17.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <838rhj52en.fsf@gnu.org> <86tu07evv6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y1pj3m4z.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5612"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61183@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 31 10:46:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pMnDT-0001Hg-9P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Tue, 31 Jan 2023 01:45:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83y1pj3m4z.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:36:28 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:254505 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 20:36:28 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Juri Linkov >> Its output is easy to understand for anyone who uses this feature >> and just wants to check what commands are already supported. Eli> That's not the correct criterion for judging documentation, defini= tely Eli> not when the manual is concerned. The manual should be clear enou= gh Eli> to explain the command's effect even to someone who reads about Eli> repeated commands for the first time. Eli> And even if you only consider experienced users, how can a user Eli> understand that these commands support repeating? Which part(s) of Eli> that buffer say that in terns that are clear enough? A na=C3=AFve= reader Eli> of the buffer will just see a list of commands and their bindings, Eli> preceded by a sentence whose intent is hard to understand without = some Eli> background in Emacs keymaps. How about putting something like If `repeat-mode' is enabled, these keymaps determine which single key=20 can be used to repeat a command invoked via a full key sequence. in the buffer produced by `descripe-repeat-maps'? Robert --=20