From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Resources for an old newbie ? Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 02:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87pm6p1b7o.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <0e037ca2-517d-3b52-2187-a7bba7956fbd@starynkevitch.net> <87353ndhzg.fsf@web.de> <871qj7397n.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87bkiahkbm.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13476"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:vIDCVkHzysjtWUF5TpG6YXbKwKA= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 25 04:30:44 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q20kW-0003Ia-3L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 04:30:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q20jo-0006Ab-Ol; Wed, 24 May 2023 22:30:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q1zGR-00080a-54 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2023 20:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q1zGP-0000TG-F8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2023 20:55:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q1zGM-0002Av-FF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 02:55:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 May 2023 22:29:58 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143727 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic wrote: >> Because, the problem is the repositories are so behind. >> For example in the Debian repos, xemacs21 is the most >> "recent" version available ... > > That is a bad example: XEmacs 21(.4) /is/ the newest version > of XEmacs, since there hasn't been a release since 2009. Yes, it is also unrelated since XEmacs is a fork of, but not quite, GNU Emacs. > Depending on what you do, I think that even a release from > Debian Stable is good enough for most people who aren't into > core Emacs development. I did it for many years while doing a lot of things with Emacs, including Elisp, so it is good enough - I know this from my own experience - but even better is to use the latest Emacs. It makes it so much more fun so it is what I recommend to any Emacs "fan" - no matter what level, high or low, he or she is at or believes he or she is at. This is the most important point - more fun, more excitement and enthusiasm - but I'll add a practical aspect that happened to me, sometimes I got answers on this very list ~"do it like this" and those functions I didn't have, since they hadn't been added to my older version of Emacs. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal