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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309499 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 00:16:09 +0300 >> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> > The problem from my POV was that alternatives were researched, the >> > results of the research were published and discussed, the downsides >> > identified, and then the process stalled, perhaps because people got >> > disappointed by the deficiencies. >> >> Last time we produced this overblown list which mixed necessities with >> nice-to-haves: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/28152 > > That list is just our reference and a repository of ideas that came up > in the discussions. The real requirements are simpler: > > . we must have support for feature we have now on debbugs We count the fact that everything can everything can be done via Email as a feature, right? > . we should decide which additional features are the absolute > minimum to justify the switch (those which will attract > contributors, make feedback easier, and help people who are more > used to PR-type workflow) > . all the other features that debbugs doesn't have are a bonus, but > not hard requirements