From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 13:40:11 +0000 Message-ID: <87plxdpsxw.fsf@posteo.net> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <87le84oqbd.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13601"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Jeremy Bryant , justin@burkett.cc, Emacs Devel To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 03 14:40:57 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWGGP-0003Q4-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 14:40:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWGFo-0007dd-Jf; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 08:40:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWGFn-0007bv-1b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 08:40:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWGFl-0003eK-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 08:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B5CA240104 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 14:40:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1706967613; bh=NZZYnsHhDEvuZoSBCKwCY11tG++g8mcLZsis2Ncikd8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:From; b=iVmVB9UEN5Ja+ezBGt54Sf6nfqqzRuxLQut/FCMCJF0K2hfK0slHbDEoQKRC1QA97 fsiWs1XZYTtOmue7qC/QNO3vr1Y6TibxGNrRyR2qRQkiIh+49kzlLxdfn9bBKwT/QH LRHgzUkkDjckDwIJlWvCWXQtUYKx+2EF5A7ked1mv1xhiaSghW2Qo/kONZOvzNfOz9 I4rafwvr77zuUBpHaeM7pHvjrBiDTQ+AvDuQdvYA3ePYmFFSahw2nVElLJbLNVEZ11 nzdfARW9kVYfDIBS5J1jbg9p9GvOLfwRXHdFGyX1O0QgYirAkRVqj9eVR4mVH2KXlR 6ATTN/DerJp9A== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4TRv0D53W5z9rxG; Sat, 3 Feb 2024 14:40:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87le84oqbd.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 01 Feb 2024 10:45:26 +0800") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315830 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Jeremy Bryant writes: > >> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable >> by for new users. >> >> I understand it is in ELPA already. >> >> Author Justin has expressed openness to the idea in >> https://github.com/justbur/emacs-which-key/issues/355 > > I don't think enabling it by default is all that desirable, since its > popups are far more intrusive than keystrokes are when echoed, but > moving it to core is a decent idea. I second this concern, it also promotes the inefficient practice of inspecting keymaps by waiting for the idle timer to be triggered.