From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Carbon emacs - frame too big for minibuffer can't resize window Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:29:38 +0900 Message-ID: <87oee0p825.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87sm3e6wfa.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109896409 7633 80.91.229.2 (4 Mar 2005 00:33:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 00:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 04 01:33:29 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D70kj-0005jA-Pd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:33:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D713n-00084g-8G for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:52:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D712f-00080Y-95 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:51:45 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D712Y-0007yV-Lu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:51:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D712W-0007sK-2W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:51:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1D70hL-00019s-9I; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 19:29:43 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtp (Dentaku) id 1D70hI-0002jE-Uu; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:29:41 +0900 Original-Received: from yokohama2-61-203-152-142.ap.0038.net ([61.203.152.142] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1D70hH-0002j1-WD; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:29:40 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53E17FB3; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:29:39 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (August's message of "Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:22:31 +0100") Original-Lines: 28 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS GOL X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24500 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24500 August writes: >> The problem is not "standard terminals" but legibility. > > I'm sure that legibility was one of the motivations for the decision to > use 80 character columns for terminals. The standard width sure is an > issue here as wrongly formatted paragraphs affect legibility even more > than overly long lines. The default width for editors and terminal > windows is usually 80 characters. Yeah, and I strongly dislike the occasional suggestion you see to "just make your windows wider, c'mon it's a modern system!" (hi Tom!). My display is perfectly _capable_ of holding very wide windows, but *I don't want such windows*!!! My reasoning is this: _most_ code or line-wrapped text doesn't have long lines (for good legibility reasons), so if I make my windows very wide by default, I'm simply going to have a lot of empty space in them most of the time; by keeping my windows to a reasonable width, I can in fact fit two windows side-by-side on my display, allowing me to use the available space more productively. -Miles -- /\ /\ (^.^) (")") *This is the cute kitty virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread.