From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Starting emacs without initial frame Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:09:47 +0900 Message-ID: <87oedfxur8.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87vf7osyho.fsf@rivendell.grasswurzel.nett> <873bus51nr.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> <87ll8jzind.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111263077 15353 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 20:11:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 21:11:17 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkHt-0003NA-GZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:11:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkYe-0003iN-1z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkYP-0003h1-8a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkYN-0003fv-8S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCkYM-0003ez-1c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1DCkGh-0007Ny-Ds; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:09:56 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtp (Dentaku) id 1DCkGe-0008Ir-5Z; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:09:52 +0900 Original-Received: from yokohama2-61-203-152-175.ap.0038.net ([61.203.152.175] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1DCkGd-0008Im-C8; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:09:52 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 47C6C2F68; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:09:47 +0900 (JST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87ll8jzind.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:56:59 -0500") Original-Lines: 32 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS GOL X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24988 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24988 Stefan Monnier writes: >> Kind of stupid that, isn't it? I vaguely recall that Gerd successfully >> changed Emacs to map the initial frame only _after_ .emacs was read, but >> people who did weird things in their .emacs complained so this eminently >> reasonable behavior was dropped for "compatibility". > > My own local Emacs only creates the initial frame after reading .emacs ;-) > It indeed creates a few incompatibilities (e.g. startup.el can't properly > set the default of normal-erase-is-backspace before reading the .emacs > because it needs to query the X server for that, but the connection is not > yet opened). Cool. Obviously not for this release, but how about trying to get those changes committed after the release? > People may be annoyed at the "loading foo..." messages on stdout, tho. > Also my code currently breaks --debug-init. Those sound like the sort of detail that could be sorted out easily enough though... [personally I always find those initial "loading..." messages annoyinga anyway; I think they should just be turned off unless --debug-init etc.] [Maybe there needs to be a queue of callbacks that is run when the display finally shows up.] -Miles -- (\(\ (^.^) (")") *This is the cute bunny virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread.