From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:12:43 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87odi539t0.fsf@jurta.org> References: <871wf5cv6y.fsf@jurta.org> <87lkd9k7d8.fsf@debby.local.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185041721 12587 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2007 18:15:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dieter Wilhelm Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 21 20:15:19 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ICJU7-00075k-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:15:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICJU6-0007xA-R8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:15:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICJU3-0007wW-Eb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICJU1-0007ug-FF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:15:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICJU1-0007ub-8M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ICJU0-00016r-Ls for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ICJTy-000Bq4-D8; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:15:11 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87lkd9k7d8.fsf@debby.local.net> (Dieter Wilhelm's message of "Sat\, 21 Jul 2007 19\:13\:23 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Scanner-Signature: 4fe2b897d4d72954524b6b73d18f8617 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 1263 [July 20 2007] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 0 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75251 Archived-At: >> [Visit home directory] >> [Open new file] >> [Open buffer for notes you don't want to save] >> [Emacs Tutorial] >> [Emacs FAQ] >> [Read the Emacs Manual] >> ... > > This is a mighty good idea! > > Thinking in beginner scenarios it might be better to change the > sequence to > > [Open new file] > [Visit home directory] > ... In the latest patch, the order is the following: [Create New File] Visit new file. [Visit Home Directory] Visit home directory. [Visit *scratch* Buffer] Visit buffer for notes you don't want to save, and for Lisp evaluation. This seems good because [Create New File] is before [Visit *scratch* Buffer], so when a writer starts writing a story, the first link to click will be [Create New File], and not [Visit *scratch* Buffer], so he wouldn't lose his masterpiece. > with :point on the first entry, a dired view could overwhelm some at > first, especially from the Windows world. And when clicking the links > with the mouse--instead of a keyboard activation--the links reacting > in the same manner as if activating the commands from the menu-bar > i.e. with pop-up dialogs etc. Clicking on [Create New File] pop-ups the File Open dialog in the same way as clicking [Visit New File] in the File menu. > And, what others pointed out, an inclusion of a link to the splash > buffer customisation. Perfect, I have to say! In the latest patch, the customization link points to the inhibit-splash-screen, but later should be changed to customize `visit-on-startup'. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/