From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pascal Bourguignon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:30:05 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87odi2c7ci.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185280969 15775 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 12:42:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:42:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 14:42:47 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDJiv-0003OQ-Di for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:42:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDJiu-000761-VX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:42:44 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Trace: individual.net XYGnd+7yZqjZqOPJZaR/KAcRQUqmWzc8IyV7TNQeDQAKsaoPdb Cancel-Lock: sha1:dR8XYoaH0kt2mcEcctA/b1xjNmU= sha1:70HiKkp454YaxpFNFekC7m0as+Y= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150367 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45945 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > On 24 juil. 07, at 19:05, Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> >> Am 24.07.2007 um 02:17 schrieb Jean-Christophe Helary: >> >>> What is the technical issue with emacs ? >> >> The texts are spread over hundred and more files. It's not only >> menu entries and menu titles, it's also necessary to translate the >> customisation buffers, the description of functions and variables. > > This is not really a technical issue. Because there are ways to > identify the strings to localize. I am more specifically asking about > this. > >> And once the act of translation is achieved: how do you describe a >> problem with entry 5 of menu 3? By using the French names? By >> counting? What when the order is changed? What when someone >> decides, according to writing direction, to order the menus from >> right to left? > > I understand what you are saying but that is exactly the case for all > the other localized software packages. > > GNU has developped gettext but one of the flagship applications of > the GNU project is not localized at all... But emacs is not an application! emacs is a programming language with a library for textual user interfaces. Asking for a localization of emacs is the same as asking for a localization of C++. Where do you start, and where do you stop??? The only realistic thing you could do, is if you are developing an application in emacs (let say a new mail user agent), to localize this application. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ "Remember, Information is not knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom; Wisdom is not truth; Truth is not beauty; Beauty is not love; Love is not music; Music is the best." -- Frank Zappa