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From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window'
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:33:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ode0m936.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IrMd5-00012z-9Y@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:54:15 -0500")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>       By default, resizing is done by increasing/decreasing window
>       width and height.  In this mode, use the up and down arrow keys
>       to enlarge or shrink the window and use the right and left arrow
>       keys to enlarge or shrink the window horizontally.
>
> So in this mode you don't control which border moves.

Right.  `shrink-window' and `enlarge-window' decide.

>       Resizing can also be done by moving the window borders.  In this
>       mode, use the arrow keys to move the corresponding border in the
>       arrow direction -- e.g. the left arrow key will try to move the
>       left border to the left.
>
> So in this mode you can only enlarge the window.

Right.

>     When the point is in window B and you're in move-borders mode, <left>
>     will move the left border of window B to the left, and <right> will move
>     its right border to the right.  But you might want to quickly move the
>     left border to the right.  So instead of finding window A and moving its
>     right border to the right, you'll negate the argument and move the left
>     border (which will move to the right instead of moving to the left.)
>
> Oh, so that's how you would use the window borders mode to make this
> window smaller.
>
> It seems unnatural, and I think it will be hard to remember.

I first used M-<arrows> to let the user move the border inwards.

Drew suggested to use `~' to negate the value of INCREMENT and I gave it
a try.  Actually, I think using M-<arrows> to move the border inwards is
better: no need for `~' and easy to remember.

> Perhaps the right thing to do is use arrow keys to select the border
> to move, and use + and - to grow or shrink the window using that
> border.

This is similar to Lennart's approach in bw-interactive.el:

  http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/DL/elisp/bw-interactive.el

I reacted to his code by saying that the left arrow key should *both*
select the left border and move it to the left.  Hence window-edit.el,
where I prefer to keep both actions (i.e. selecting and moving) to be
performed with a single keystroke.

IMO using the Meta key to move inwards instead of outwards is simpler
than first selecting the border and then moving it.

I'll implement back M-<arrow> for inwards border moves, while keeping
`~' for a while, let's see what people prefer.

-- 
Bastien

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-12  3:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-28 10:39 New keybinding suggestion: C-x _ for `shrink-window' Bastien
2007-10-28 10:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 12:06   ` Bastien
2007-10-28 11:21     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 14:40       ` Bastien
2007-10-28 20:20         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-28 21:47           ` Bastien
2007-10-28 21:47           ` Bastien
2007-10-28 22:05             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29  0:03             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-29  8:43               ` Bastien
2007-10-29  0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-29 13:14   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 11:57   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 11:58   ` Bastien
2007-10-31 15:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-10-31 16:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-10-31 17:31         ` Bastien
2007-10-31 23:58         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  0:26           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  1:14             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01  1:28               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  1:46                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01  2:17                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-01  3:41               ` Bastien
2007-11-01  1:13           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-01 19:04             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03 21:56           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04  1:41             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-11-04  2:49               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-11-04 19:56             ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-31 16:20       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-10-31 23:58       ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01 16:54         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:01           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-01 22:27             ` David Kastrup
2007-11-01 23:05               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-02 14:28           ` Bastien
2007-11-02 14:28             ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03  0:20               ` Bastien
2007-11-03  3:58             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-03  4:14               ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03  5:46                 ` Bastien
2007-11-03  5:35                   ` Miles Bader
2007-11-03 14:11                     ` Bastien
2007-11-03 15:15                   ` Drew Adams
2007-11-03 16:43                     ` Bastien
2007-11-03 16:43                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-04  0:11                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-05  3:30                   ` Bastien
2007-11-05  7:37                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-05 11:06                       ` Bastien
2007-11-08 15:32                       ` Bastien
2007-11-10  1:09                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-10  1:11                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11  5:00                           ` Bastien
2007-11-11  8:42                             ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 17:17                               ` Bastien
2007-11-11 17:26                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 23:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  0:07                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12  3:20                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-12  2:55                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12  4:18                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-12 11:47                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 13:47                                             ` Bastien
2007-11-12 19:03                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 21:20                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 21:31                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 22:09                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 22:51                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-11-14  0:26                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 23:49                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17  1:36                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17  9:09                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:44                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 17:28                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-12 21:41                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 22:15                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-13 13:40                                                 ` Bastien
2007-11-13 17:51                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-14  0:58                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-14  2:48                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14  8:45                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-11-13 23:52                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-14  1:05                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 17:28                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-11-11 14:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-11 17:11                               ` Bastien
2007-11-11 19:33                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:19                               ` Bastien
2007-11-12 17:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:25                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-13 18:49                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-14  0:27                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 14:41                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14  1:14                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-14  1:56                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-15 20:52                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-15 20:57                                             ` Bastien
     [not found]                                             ` <473CBBA7.8090507@gmail.com>
2007-11-16 12:39                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-14 17:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 18:12                                           ` Bastien
     [not found]                                             ` <473B7CDD.4040401@gmail.com>
2007-11-15 21:05                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-15 21:38                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 22:27                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16 12:41                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17  0:10                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17  1:45                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17  9:28                                                             ` martin rudalics
2007-11-17 11:58                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-17  2:17                                                         ` Bastien
2007-11-17  9:09                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 12:08                                                             ` Bastien
2007-11-17 17:28                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-11-18  0:10                                                                 ` Bastien
2007-11-19  1:20                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-11-19  2:45                                                                     ` Bastien
2007-11-19  6:48                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-11-17 15:59                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 16:34                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 16:38                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-17 17:25                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-17 23:52                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-17 23:51                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-18  0:16                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-18  2:16                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-18  2:31                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-18 12:04                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-19  2:23                                                                         ` Bastien
2007-11-14 23:09                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 23:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-15  0:21                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15  1:08                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15  8:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-16  1:16                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-16 12:58                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-16 15:47                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 17:13                                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-16 18:17                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-16 19:19                                                           ` Bastien
2007-11-16 21:48                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17  2:26                                                               ` Bastien
2007-11-17  4:22                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-17 11:54                                                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-18  3:09                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-11-19  2:30                                                                       ` Bastien
2007-11-15 13:07                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 13:07                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <E1Ir5H0-0002Ty-Jz@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-11-11 17:10                           ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:33                               ` Bastien [this message]
2007-11-12 17:18                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-13 13:27                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-11 23:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  3:36                               ` Bastien
2007-11-18 22:46                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-19  2:34                                   ` Bastien
2007-11-02 16:51       ` Sascha Wilde
2007-10-31 23:58     ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-01  6:30       ` David Kastrup

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