From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:33:18 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87od857fg1.fsf@jurta.org> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208637422 22131 80.91.229.12 (19 Apr 2008 20:37:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-Devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 19 22:37:37 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnJoS-00023o-AE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnJnn-0008CX-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:36:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnJnj-0008CI-Ct for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:36:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnJne-0008C6-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnJne-0008C3-SL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from relay03.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.201]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JnJna-0000lH-5Q; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay03.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JnJnY-000MLO-01; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:36:36 +0300 In-Reply-To: <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:22:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 068dd79c68aafbc760c35e97c5d420ed X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2676 [Apr 18 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95474 Archived-At: >>> I use C-M-SPC *very* often, typically just before C-y (together with >>> a variant of delete-selection-mode). >> >> BTW, since now shift-selection is available by default, I think we should >> enable delete-selection-mode, because otherwise it is very confusing >> for users coming from other programs to discover the weird behavior >> of transient-mark-mode when delete-selection-mode is disabled. > > No. I am already getting surprise region activations with the current > settings. Getting it erased by surprise is not what I consider fun. I already know that you don't like transient-mark-mode. So the only option for you is to disable transient-mark-mode completely. What I meant is that when the region is active in transient-mark-mode typing a character that doesn't delete the region is not only useless but also looks like a bug to users of any program other than Emacs. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/