From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bob@rattlesnake.com (Robert J. Chassell) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:59:41 +0000 Message-ID: <87od3gm482.fsf@rattlesnake.com> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <878wusz0v9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87vdxp27z6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prnxe5hc.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <873aktck5d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k5e5dsvq.fsf@rattlesnake.com> <48B2E7B1.2000502@emf.net> <87r68ch0x3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219750577 31372 80.91.229.12 (26 Aug 2008 11:36:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:36:17 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 26 13:37:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KXwrA-0007rE-3t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXwqB-0006yL-QI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXwH9-0005r8-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KXwH7-0005qO-0c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:59:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56526 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KXwH6-0005qC-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:59:48 -0400 Original-Received: from cpe-69-204-130-115.nycap.res.rr.com ([69.204.130.115]:49634 helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXwH5-0004Cw-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:59:48 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:59:41 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <87r68ch0x3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102981 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , are you saying that copyright law does not have to do with copying between people? My part of this started after Johannes Weiner wrote > Whether one loads proprietary modules into the kernel is a > personal decision and I don't like deciding for other people. and I wrote No; it is not a personal decision. When you load proprietary modules, you are telling those who pay attention that you do not mind restricting yourself. He did not understand what I meant, so I wrote You are not being personal when you make a decision involving others ... "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote, which I disagreed with with respect to the actual practice of law > Freedom *means* that you may do something without concern for > interference from your government or your neighbors. ... The question is whether software copying studying, modifying, and redistributing over the next generation will remain as legal or illegal as it has in the past generation. (Copyright law and treaties count in lawful areas; I am presuming, perhaps erronously, that areas that ignore that law when people are bribed millions of US dollars do not grow much bigger in the next generation. Generally speaking, free software support companies lack the resources to bribe a huge amount.) I agree it is important to emphasize the importance of software freedom, to emphasize the costs, and to provide good software. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc