* how to turn on showing end of file? @ 2009-09-14 20:19 jidanni 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs I recall I was able to have some indication of the end of file, e.g., tildes below. However nowadays it seems it is gone. ~ ~ ~ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 20:19 how to turn on showing end of file? jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Peter Dyballa @ 2009-09-14 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw To: jidanni; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Am 14.09.2009 um 22:19 schrieb jidanni: > ~ > ~ > ~ Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose. -- Greetings Pete Upgraded, adj.: Didn't work the first time. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:17 ` Andreas Politz 2009-09-14 21:22 ` jidanni ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs >>>>> "PD" == Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes: PD> Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose. Yes, but they are gone for me, as are the tildes in $ emacs -nw /etc/motd Yes I can see the fringe-mode marker when a line wraps, or the \ when using -nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:17 ` Andreas Politz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Andreas Politz @ 2009-09-14 21:17 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs jidanni@jidanni.org writes: >>>>>> "PD" == Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes: > > PD> Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose. > Yes, but they are gone for me, as are the tildes in > $ emacs -nw /etc/motd > > Yes I can see the fringe-mode marker when a line wraps, or the \ when using > -nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file. Any chance you are confusing emacs with vim, which has this `tilde stuff' ? -ap ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:22 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:25 ` jidanni ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs OK, I need to put (setq indicate-buffer-boundaries t indicate-empty-lines t) into some hook that gets called for every buffer, here in emacs-version "23.1.50.1". ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:22 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:25 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:30 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni 4 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Indeed, I had (setq indicate-empty-lines t) but here in emacs-version "23.1.50.1" it is no longer inherited into every buffer. One needs to put it into some hook. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-09-14 21:25 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:30 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni 4 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs OK: (setq-default indicate-empty-lines t) solved. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2009-09-14 21:30 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa ` (2 more replies) 4 siblings, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs OK, here is how I was vicitmized. I used to use (setq default-indicate-empty-lines t) A few days ago I got the message Compiling file /home/jidanni/.emacs ... .emacs:436:7:Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead. (I wonder how what people who don't compile their .emacs file will get that news.) So I changed it to (setq indicate-empty-lines t) Then after a few days I started wondering where the indicators went. So one needs to change it to (setq-default indicate-empty-lines t) surprize surprize :-( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni @ 2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 23:45 ` jidanni [not found] ` <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-09-15 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <mailman.6697.1252984271.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Peter Dyballa @ 2009-09-14 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw To: jidanni; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Am 14.09.2009 um 23:41 schrieb jidanni: > surprize surprize :-( I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code... -- Greetings Pete Wasting time is an important part of living. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2009-09-14 23:45 ` jidanni [not found] ` <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-14 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw To: peter_dyballa; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code... Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with (setq ...) stuff. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file? [not found] ` <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2009-10-12 3:17 ` David Combs 2009-10-13 7:08 ` Tim X 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: David Combs @ 2009-10-12 3:17 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs In article <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, <jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote: >PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code... >Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with >(setq ...) stuff. > > I myself have never been able to profitably use the customize interface. MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ), is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to even look for something. What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text) the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items. AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out, scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall. Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some kind of (graphic?) diff? Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index, that kind of thing. PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in! Thanks! David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-10-12 3:17 ` CUSTOMIZE: " David Combs @ 2009-10-13 7:08 ` Tim X 2009-11-12 2:47 ` David Combs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Tim X @ 2009-10-13 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes: > In article <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>, > <jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote: >>PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code... >>Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with >>(setq ...) stuff. >> >> > > I myself have never been able to profitably use the > customize interface. > > MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg > main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ), > > is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to > even look for something. > > What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting > at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text) > the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items. > > AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and > if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several > subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via > some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at > Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we > could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out, > scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall. > > Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some > kind of (graphic?) diff? > > Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index, > that kind of thing. > > > PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in! > > Thanks! > > David > > > A couple of things that may make customize easier for you 1. M-x customize-group. All customizations are part of a group. These groups are in a hierarchy with the group 'emacs' at the top. Using this command, you can jump into just a specific group. For example, if you wanted to customize things relating to ecb, you would enter ecb at the prompt for M-x customize-group. You also have completion available, so you can see what groups exist. 2. Generally speaking, if you do a 'describe' on a variable, if that variable has a 'customize' interface, it will have a line in the output saying sometihghin like "This variable can be customized' where customized is underlined and is a hyperlink. Clicking on it will bring up the customize buffer for that variable. 3. You also have a lot of other customize functions that will provide you with lots of other ways to work with customize, such as M-x customize-variable, which gives the customize interface for a specific variable M-x customize-apropos which does a apropos just for customize variable M-x customize-face to customize a specific face. By default, it will do the face under point. m-x customize-option and then there are a heap for selecting variables that have been set through customize, ones that have not been set etc. While it took me a long time to switch to using customize, now that I have, its really useful - especially the cusotmize-group command. I've also found that in some cases, setting the value through customize gives much better/more reliable results than doing it via elisp in my .emacs file. Not sure why there is a difference, but in some cases, there certainly is. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-10-13 7:08 ` Tim X @ 2009-11-12 2:47 ` David Combs 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: David Combs @ 2009-11-12 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs OK, thanks. I'll have another go at customize! Thanks David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa @ 2009-09-15 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <mailman.6697.1252984271.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2009-09-15 3:09 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs > From: jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:41:38 +0800 > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > OK, here is how I was vicitmized. > > I used to use > (setq default-indicate-empty-lines t) > > A few days ago I got the message > Compiling file /home/jidanni/.emacs ... > .emacs:436:7:Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable > (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead. > > (I wonder how what people who don't compile their .emacs file will get > that news.) From etc/NEWS, of course: ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO variable, are now declared obsolete. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? [not found] ` <mailman.6697.1252984271.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2009-09-15 7:54 ` Sébastien Vauban 2009-09-16 5:15 ` Kevin Rodgers [not found] ` <mailman.6770.1253080347.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2009-09-15 7:54 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ Hi Eli, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: jidanni-8D0D3YcSAvhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org >> >> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable >> (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead. > > From etc/NEWS, of course: > > ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO > variable, are now declared obsolete. Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (setq default-case-fold-search t) (setq default-directory "XXX") (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1))) (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t) (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Is, then, the following correct starting from Emacs 23.2? --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (setq-default case-fold-search t) (setq-default directory "XXX") (setq-default frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1))) (setq-default enable-multibyte-characters t) (setq-default input-method "latin-1-prefix") (setq-default major-mode 'org-mode) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Thanks for giving this precision... Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? 2009-09-15 7:54 ` Sébastien Vauban @ 2009-09-16 5:15 ` Kevin Rodgers [not found] ` <mailman.6770.1253080347.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2009-09-16 5:15 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs Sébastien Vauban wrote: > Hi Eli, > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> From: jidanni@jidanni.org >>> >>> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable >>> (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead. >> From etc/NEWS, of course: >> >> ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO >> variable, are now declared obsolete. > > Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (setq default-case-fold-search t) > (setq default-directory "XXX") > (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1))) > (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t) > (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") > (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- No, only those variables that hold the default value of the FOO variable. E.g. there is no `directory' variable. Try: C-h d \`Default value of > Is, then, the following correct starting from Emacs 23.2? > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (setq-default case-fold-search t) > (setq-default directory "XXX") > (setq-default frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1))) > (setq-default enable-multibyte-characters t) > (setq-default input-method "latin-1-prefix") > (setq-default major-mode 'org-mode) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- No. > Thanks for giving this precision... -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? [not found] ` <mailman.6770.1253080347.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2009-09-16 14:18 ` Sébastien Vauban 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2009-09-16 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw To: help-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii, Size: 1500 bytes --] Hi Kevin, Kevin Rodgers wrote: > Sébastien Vauban wrote: >> Hi Eli, >> >> Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> From: jidanni-8D0D3YcSAvhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org >>>> >>>> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable >>>> (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead. >>> From etc/NEWS, of course: >>> >>> ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO >>> variable, are now declared obsolete. >> >> Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as: >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> (setq default-case-fold-search t) >> (setq default-directory "XXX") >> (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1))) >> (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t) >> (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix") >> (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode) >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > No, only those variables that hold the default value of the FOO variable. Right. Of course, that seems obvious now that it is said! Indeed... > Try: C-h d \`Default value of I don't understand why, but even without the backquote, I have an error when trying the above command: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp t) string-match("\\(of\\|value\\|Default\\).+\\(of\\|value\\|Default\\)" t) apropos-documentation-internal(t) #[(symbol) "Æ\b!\x11\bÇN\x12¨\x0f ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to turn on showing end of file? [not found] <mailman.6674.1252963061.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2009-09-16 2:03 ` jidanni 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: jidanni @ 2009-09-16 2:03 UTC (permalink / raw To: politza; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs (info "(emacs) Useless Whitespace") To enable this feature, set the buffer-local variable `indicate-empty-lines' to a non-`nil' value. The default value of this variable is controlled by the variable `default-indicate-empty-lines';<---Hey, isn't that deprecated? by setting that variable, you can enable or disable this feature for all new buffers. (This feature currently doesn't work on text-only terminals.)<---So that's why I can't see the tildes, and not due to trying vim. >>>>> "AP" == Andreas Politz <politza@fh-trier.de> writes: >> -nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file. AP> Any chance you are confusing emacs with vim, which has this `tilde AP> stuff' ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2009-11-12 2:47 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 18+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2009-09-14 20:19 how to turn on showing end of file? jidanni 2009-09-14 21:03 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 21:10 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:17 ` Andreas Politz 2009-09-14 21:22 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:25 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:30 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 21:41 ` jidanni 2009-09-14 23:37 ` Peter Dyballa 2009-09-14 23:45 ` jidanni [not found] ` <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-10-12 3:17 ` CUSTOMIZE: " David Combs 2009-10-13 7:08 ` Tim X 2009-11-12 2:47 ` David Combs 2009-09-15 3:09 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <mailman.6697.1252984271.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-09-15 7:54 ` Sébastien Vauban 2009-09-16 5:15 ` Kevin Rodgers [not found] ` <mailman.6770.1253080347.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-09-16 14:18 ` Sébastien Vauban [not found] <mailman.6674.1252963061.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 2009-09-16 2:03 ` jidanni
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