From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Integrating package.el Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:41:03 +0900 Message-ID: <87ocj3v0rk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87wrzr6ugo.fsf@hagelb.org> <87ocl242jc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d41ihx9g.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ocl167wx.fsf@hagelb.org> <8763795zsh.fsf@hagelb.org> <87r5pmwcf8.fsf@hagelb.org> <87ocjh2hyp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <31edf1081003032139t491b2339uf5202323100248c3@mail.gmail.com> <878wa8wnnk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267773064 24400 80.91.229.12 (5 Mar 2010 07:11:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, Ted Zlatanov , Phil Hagelberg , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 05 08:10:01 2010 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnQY7-0007wH-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:58:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34798 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NnQ2v-0001IN-W8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:25:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NnQ2r-0001Gw-8R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:25:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53653 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NnQ2m-0001EO-OK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:25:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnQ2i-0004j4-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:25:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:39205) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NnQ2h-0004i2-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:25:44 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23A2820F; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:30:16 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21DDB1A3805; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:41:04 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121652 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > Warning: I'm not really sure what the problems are[1], but the user > > install vs. system install distinction has never really worked right > > in XEmacs's package system. > > It would help if you could describe the problems encountered, At my consulting rates, that would be worth about $500. ;-) As I said, it's not clear what is design and what is PEBKAC, and clarifying that would require a lot of effort. We've just had a lot of user complaints over the years related to specified and/or default installation locations, permissions issues, etc. Packages get installed in places the running XEmacs isn't looking for them, insufficient privilege to install in the default place, that kind of thing. This often seems to be related to system vs. user issues. At this point I just want to offer the advice that Here Be Dragons (or at least some cute little lizards) to watch out for.