From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:34 -0500 Message-ID: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268437075 29198 80.91.229.12 (12 Mar 2010 23:37:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 13 00:37:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqEQO-0005Fj-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:37:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqECl-0001N9-CX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NqECg-0001Lh-I3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53422 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqECe-0001Kh-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqECd-0000wa-7e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from pantheon-po35.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.83]:33173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqECd-0000wU-41 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:35 -0500 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014175.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po35.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o2CNNYBw008002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 142E5C011; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:23:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (James Cloos's message of "Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:58:48 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.94 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121876 Archived-At: James Cloos writes: > C> Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. > > Ewww. Why, if may I ask? > > Way over on the right makes the scrollbar essentially useless (except, > of course, for putative buffers which are (will be) primarily r2l > and those times when the frame is split horizontally). > > It really needs to be near the action, and on landscape displays the > frames are typically wider than (most of) the text. I'm familiar with the advantages, but this battle was fought long ago. Every graphical user interface created in the last X years puts the scroll bar on the right. Try naming one other application on a modern GNU/Linux desktop that does the opposite by default---they don't exist. Beyond a certain point, conflicting with users' expectations does more harm than good. But, you can do (set-scroll-bar-mode 'left) or Options -> Show/Hide -> Scroll Bar -> On the Left.