From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: anything.el inclusion Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:25:19 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87oci7hto0.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87y6hib6vi.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <8739zp80up.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87vdck20mp.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <87ocic1z3x.fsf@tux.homenetwork> <871vf8o684.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <8739zoxujx.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <87y6hfj9hv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877hoygl3n.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269887611 30246 80.91.229.12 (29 Mar 2010 18:33:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:33:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 29 20:33:27 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwJmA-0005FV-RO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:33:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60945 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwJmA-0005EK-5x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:33:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NwJjI-0003Va-3g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40745 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwJjG-0003IO-Lg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwJeb-0002OL-7N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:25:38 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:41600) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwJeZ-0002Np-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:25:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwJeX-0001Iq-66 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:25:33 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:25:33 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:25:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:idokVzWaxw8fzDL/cwjyhW064LE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122861 Archived-At: On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:38:52 +0200 Juri Linkov wrote: JL> What do you think about the following idea for package.el? JL> To every package handled by package.el add a new parameter that tracks JL> the package's "popularity". This could mean either the number of JL> downloads from the server that hosts these packages, or to add UI JL> where users would be able to vote for a package. JL> Then we could sort all available packages by popularity in package.el UI, JL> so the top packages are objective candidates for inclusion in Emacs. A package "score" could be useful. But it should not be based on popularity, it's better to simply listen to what people want in mailing lists, on the Emacs Wiki, etc. So I'm not opposed to scores but they should be optional and curated by each repository's maintainer. If the maintainer chooses to use popularity as the only score component, that's their choice. On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:58:14 +0300 Yoni Rabkin wrote: YR> This is the exact kind of of thinking that makes me want to avoid any YR> centralized system such as package.el. Centralized systems like these YR> makes people start thinking of all kinds of "benefits" the centralized YR> system can bestow on users without the users ever asking for them (or YR> knowing they exist). package.el will not be centralized in the form that goes into Emacs. On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:35:46 +0100 Johan Busk Eriksson wrote: JBE> A popularity contest? Please let me opt-out of that. I don't think package.el should be the agent to generate popularity scores. If the repository maintainer wants them, he can analyze the server logs. Ted