From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: major mode in new buffers Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:05:51 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87oci41zrg.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <2f8988ff1003300457w38ee4bf0h259cd7a7187298e0@mail.gmail.com> <87oci5ev6a.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270049332 15967 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2010 15:28:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kyllingstad , Stefan Monnier , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?=, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 31 17:28:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwzqZ-0004gl-0S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:28:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54419 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwziD-0002bb-Pi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NwzaF-000819-1l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=32916 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwzaC-0007z4-5o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nwza5-0001Pe-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:11:50 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp-out1.starman.ee ([85.253.0.3]:54896 helo=mx1.starman.ee) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nwza5-0001PK-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:11:45 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.54.39.cable.starman.ee [82.131.54.39]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FA53F40B8; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:11:38 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:22:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122974 Archived-At: > Well, when I do it, I get a buffer called *Help*, with major-mode > `help' (not `help-mode'), and the C-x suffix is no longer active (I > cannot do C-x o, for example, to switch buffers, or C-x C-x to exit > Emacs). > > Don't you see the same thing? I think what ehelp currently does by default, makes no sense - it puts the *Help* buffer in fundamental-mode instead of help-mode. Please look at the code in `with-electric-help': ;; We should really get a usable *Help* buffer when retaining ;; the electric one with `r'. The problem is that a simple ;; call to help-mode won't cut it; at least RET is bound wrong ;; afterwards. It's also not clear that `help-mode' is always ;; the right thing, maybe we should add an optional parameter. (condition-case () (funcall (or (default-value 'major-mode) 'fundamental-mode)) (error nil)) Ehelp creates a problem and tries to solve it in an ugly way. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/