From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bidi,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Arabic support Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:18:11 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87occfb064.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <83bp8oml9c.fsf@gnu.org> <83r5hbi3ur.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1283509117 30371 80.91.229.12 (3 Sep 2010 10:18:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: emacs-bidi@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 03 12:18:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OrTLu-0002P9-TG for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:18:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34169 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OrTLu-0001T3-4R for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:18:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48895 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OrTLp-0001Sy-HB for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:18:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OrTLo-0005gz-0L for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:42173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OrTLn-0005gV-MF for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:18:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OrTLj-0002JJ-Cj for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:18:23 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ed198.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.209.152]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:18:23 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ed198.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 12:18:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ed198.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8qNTey9UoVN0rkTsPYI56IjYhTo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-bidi@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of Emacs support for multi-directional text." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bidi:812 gmane.emacs.devel:129638 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Kenichi Handa >> Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:00:02 +0900 >> >> > If so, auto-composition-mode cannot be turned off for scripts that >> > need this kind of "grouped shaping" without degrading the presentation >> > of these scripts to the point of illegibility? >> >> Yes. And auto-composition-mode cannot be turned off for any >> scripts that it is not enough to display glyphs >> corresponding to characters; they are all Indics, some East >> Asians, Arabic, Hebrew, etc. > > Are you sure Hebrew belongs to this list? What Hebrew characters need > to be shaped together, but still displayed as separate glyphs (as > opposed to the diacriticals which are composed into the same glyph > with the base character)? I'd think that the letter combinations tsvey vovn וו and tsvey yudn יי (in Yiddish likely represented with their own characters װ and ײ, also of interest ױ) might call for common shaping in more sophisticated fonts. But I have no actual clue. -- David Kastrup