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From: Wojciech Meyer <wojciech.meyer@googlemail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Problems with xml-parse-string
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:59:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ocblexeo.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8339syrlto.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:31:47 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:11:40 +0200
>> 
>> Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:
>> 
>> > You are overselling your case.
>> 
>> I give up.
>
> That's a pity.
>
> Chong, I'd suggest trusting Lars's instincts and experience a bit
> more.  OTOH, if you indeed want to see valid technical arguments for
> his suggestion, you should request the same from the opposite views.
> We should either judge intuition against intuition or specific
> arguments vs specific arguments.  I saw no practical arguments to back
> up the other view, only academic ones.  That's unfair, IMO.

Saying, `I used Sxml with Lisp in a real project and I had no problems
with it at all' is enough? To emphasise, a real project, which means
working for food. How can be a better proof or technical reason. If i
wanted to transfer the data from Elisp equipped with Sxml, to the other
one, what would be the easiest way? `Prin1' obviously, and `read' at
other side, or in case of Lars format transforming back to XML and
re-parse and re-read (Which is not supported yet at all, BTW). How about
other maybe `less practical' languages like Mbase (the one I worked
on). Can I actually do the same with the Scheme: yes I could if the
format was Sxml.  There is no real reason behind having this format
beside:

+ it is portable
+ very well specified and robust
+ well known standard
+ will not surprise us with some nitpicks

For a Lars format
+ only Emacs would use that
+ we still don't know how to support all the stuff from Xml
+ nobody produced spec for it that we can actually believe it is OK to
transform from XML and to XML without losing information
+ some small problems with escaping `:' but that's regarding Sxml too
+ BTW: you cannot use `text' property to store content, as it can be used
as an attribute (just a trivial example).

So yes, that's the practical reasons again, to emphasise I don't mind
this one or other one (if anybody asked me really..), it would be just
wise to use something that is well specified and not reinventing the
wheel again.

Wojciech



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-25 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-14 18:11 Problems with xml-parse-string Leo
2010-09-14 18:24 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 21:18   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-15  8:06     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-15  8:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-15  9:21         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-15  9:54           ` Leo
2010-09-15 10:16             ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-15 15:58               ` Chad Brown
2010-09-21 23:00           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-21 23:24             ` Leo
2010-09-22  2:26               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22  3:15                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22  7:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-22 10:35                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 10:58                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:00                     ` Leo
2010-09-22 11:09                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:41                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 11:55                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:09                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:17                               ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:18                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:20                                   ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:26                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:34                                       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 12:46                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 12:45                         ` Leo
2010-09-22 13:14                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 14:07                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 15:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-22 23:59                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-23  5:53                                 ` Leo
2010-09-23 15:43                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-23 16:53                                     ` Leo
2010-09-23 21:58                                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-23 22:21                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24  0:04                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-24  0:06                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24  1:09                                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24  2:46                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-09-24  5:38                                               ` David Kastrup
2010-09-24  8:02                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-24 10:47                                                 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 10:44                                             ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 10:49                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 15:25                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 15:53                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 16:26                                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 16:46                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 17:34                                                       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 18:09                                                         ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-24 18:21                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-24 18:31                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 18:47                                                       ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 18:53                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 18:58                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-24 19:06                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 19:25                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 19:34                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-24 21:57                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-25 13:11                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-25 13:31                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 13:56                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-25 13:59                                                                     ` Wojciech Meyer [this message]
2010-09-25 16:13                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-25 16:46                                                                         ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 22:29                                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-25 15:00                                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-24 22:01                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-24 22:17                                                               ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-25  0:25                                                                 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 14:42                                                       ` Andy Wingo
2010-09-25 15:12                                                         ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:21                                                         ` Leo
2010-09-25 15:42                                                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-25 20:02                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-25 20:32                                                               ` Leo
2010-09-25 23:08                                                               ` Leo
2010-09-26 21:55                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-26 23:34                                                                   ` Leo
2010-09-26  3:48                                                               ` pcase.el (was: Problems with xml-parse-string) Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-26 22:06                                                                 ` pcase.el Stefan Monnier
2010-09-27 16:59                                                                   ` pcase.el Leo
2010-09-27 22:51                                                                     ` pcase.el Stefan Monnier
2010-09-28 18:17                                                                   ` pcase.el Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-24 23:43                                         ` Problems with xml-parse-string Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-09-23  2:16                               ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-09-22 14:05                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 14:32                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 15:46                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 16:12                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 16:51                           ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 18:06                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 18:14                               ` Edward O'Connor
2010-09-22 18:34                                 ` Leo
2010-09-22 18:41                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-22 19:57                                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-22 18:06                             ` Andy Wingo
2010-09-22 23:48             ` Stefan Monnier

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