From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK "decorated" and "deletable" properties Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:09:33 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87oc2eeqhu.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87aaebbndz.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DDDA5A7.6040109@siege-engine.com> <87boyp5vyi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxi8xq6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874o4ebtq0.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87vcwpsa6y.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uzccr2k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8362oof70y.fsf@gnu.org> <87zkm09iaf.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <8339jsez65.fsf@gnu.org> <87oc2g9cg1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DE8FBEF.2090900@swipnet.se> <877h92g9pj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4DE91C39.9030705@swipnet.se> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307124621 23180 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2011 18:10:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 03 20:10:17 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYp7-0005Dg-8n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:10:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40373 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYp5-0007gx-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50369) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYoh-0007g0-7X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:09:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYoe-0002iB-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:09:50 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:41542) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYoe-0002hj-9x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:09:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QSYod-0004zt-6y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:09:47 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:09:47 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 20:09:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ue2jC2bV/ehHe4gl1q2ZJ9vwGJ4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140144 Archived-At: On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:39:05 +0200 Jan Djärv wrote: JD> Ted Zlatanov skrev 2011-06-03 18.29: >> On NextStep / Cocoa, according to >> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?BorderlessWindow it's possible but such >> a window can't have a toolbar (does it crash or simply ignore the >> toolbar? that's not clear). For my purposes that's OK, the pop-up >> frames I need won't have toolbars. >> >> It would be nice if each port offered even more control through native >> frame properties, of course, e.g. ns-borderless and gtk-deletable. I >> can then set each native property and it has no effect otherwise. But a >> general name convention is useful too. JD> For X11 you can do it in lisp. Here is a function from an earlier bug JD> report about Motif WM Hints (4363). Gtk+ (as far as I know) only JD> manipulates functions and decorations. JD> Motif wm hits is just a property with 5 values. Just use x-change-window-property. Thank you very much for the exhaustive X11 example. I think it's sufficient to get me what I need, at least for now. I also hope the W32 and NextStep/Cocoa ports implement comparable functionality as I suggested above and in my reply to Eli Zaretskii. Thanks Ted