From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eshell and Sudo Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87obfiu8fh.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87ehgg451n.fsf@gnu.org> <87txpc3wnn.fsf@gmx.de> <87r4kgcacu.fsf@dimension8.tehua.net> <87wqu7xq77.fsf@dimension8.tehua.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1361124060 29300 80.91.229.3 (17 Feb 2013 18:01:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Aidan Gauland Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 17 19:01:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U78YC-0007lF-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:01:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55625 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U78Xs-0003GK-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:01:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48029) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U78Xo-0003F0-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:00:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U78Xn-0000n7-IS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:00:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:61908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U78Xn-0000ml-9L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 13:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.34]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LbO5M-1UaRh93ffm-00kuog for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 19:00:53 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2013 18:00:53 -0000 Original-Received: from p57BB9CBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO arthur.gmx.de) [87.187.156.191] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 17 Feb 2013 19:00:53 +0100 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18heTVweIwh7XBmtorSVSibTS/udoisHrEmCgMML+ pxYYHQSeS0szKP In-Reply-To: <87wqu7xq77.fsf@dimension8.tehua.net> (Aidan Gauland's message of "Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:08:44 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:157105 Archived-At: Aidan Gauland writes: > "John Wiegley" writes: >> As a note, I do not think tramp should be involved by default in eshell/sudo. >> This should be an optional module, em-tramp, which one can enable to bring in >> such behavior. It makes using sudo on localhost many, many times slower, with >> no functional benefit. > > I fully agree; it's confusing just about every new user. This was discussed already. In short * There is still "*sudo", which calls the external command. Like for all other built-ins. * If we remove eshell/sudo, some functionality might be lost, like running eshell internal commands as arguments of sudo, and like Tramp's password caching. I understand that it might cause confusion the way it runs now. But I wanted to recall the reasons I have added eshell/sudo 3 years ago. > Thanks, > Aidan Gauland Best regards, Michael.