From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:09:23 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87obaj39sc.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8738s087wj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo6mjv4s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871u7gavwx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372867784 32670 80.91.229.3 (3 Jul 2013 16:09:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:09:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 03 18:09:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPck-0000ZV-74 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 18:09:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40582 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPcj-00069T-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38799) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPcf-00069A-Q1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPce-0005Ca-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPcd-0005C8-TR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 12:09:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UuPcc-0000SH-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 18:09:34 +0200 Original-Received: from pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net ([72.93.34.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 18:09:34 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 18:09:34 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-72-93-34-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mQdAy8nyLzYbGzywz3tZL6/GrnE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161482 Archived-At: On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 17:29:34 +0900 Miles Bader wrote: MB> Ted Zlatanov writes: RS> Web browsing may be important enough to justify a toolbar icon. RS> But the command name should be natural too. Ideally a command RS> should have the name you would guess it has (if you didn't know). >> >> If the goal is to improve usability, forget command names. MB> Er, what? This is Emacs. M-x is important, and lots of people use it. There are different ways to use Emacs or indeed any bundle of methods and information. You can zoom in on a specific thing, which `M-x command' does, or you can explore a visual hierarchy, like the menus or a tree of packages and options, or you can search (with partial command completion or the manual's index or other means). But all of the above imply there's a tool intervening between you and the URL, and you're trying to discover the tool's name (the command name in Emacs). Most users just want to enter a URL and browse it. So my main suggestion is to make `C-x C-f' on a URL open a web browser like `eww', or call `browse-url', or do something like that. MB> This is especially true for something like this browser, which I MB> expect people will only use occasionally (most people will have a MB> standard web browser available most of the time) MB> A defalias is trivial and works well anyway, so there's no reason MB> _not_ to have it... I didn't imply otherwise :) I just don't think `defalias' will enhance usability. Ted