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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161536 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > Years ago, I had a real problem remembering M-x ielm. Because I only used > this command occasionally, I was never able to remember it. > > I never remember ielm, and when I see that name, I have no idea what > it does. I recall I looked it up once, perhaps a year ago, but > nothing stuck. I had to look it up again now. > > `ielm' might be a good file name prefix, if this had multiple files. > A prefix needs to be short. But the package should have a natural > name for users. Let's just have a configuration module that let map user interface commands to the selected package. M-x mail --> vm, gnus, mew, or whatever. M-x news --> gnus or something else. M-x web --> w3m, www, eww or whatever. M-x elisp -> ielm or *scratch* > One thing I don't understand is why this is better than the *scratch* > buffer and Lisp Interaction Mode. What are the advantages of ielm? > Should the *scratch* buffer be implemented by ielm? Or would that > have some drawback? It's not the same kind of interaction. ielm simulates an "interactive" REPL, like other lisps or shells. Even slime has both kinds of interactions available, the *scratch* like, and the repl one. Also, compare the results: (+ 1 2) C-u C-x C-e (+ 3 4) C-u C-x C-e (or perhaps with C-j) in *scratch* displays: (+ 1 2)3 (#o3, #x3, ?\C-c) (+ 3 4)7 (+ 1 2)RET(+ 3 4)RET in *ielm* displays: ELISP> (+ 1 2) 3 ELISP> (+ 3 4) 7 ELISP> -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ A bad day in () is better than a good day in {}. You know you've been lisping too long when you see a recent picture of George Lucas and think "Wait, I thought John McCarthy was dead!" -- Dalek_Baldwin