From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Jolitz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:41:51 +0200 Message-ID: <87ob91lhs0.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376408554 1493 80.91.229.3 (13 Aug 2013 15:42:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 15:42:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 13 17:42:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9Gjy-0003NA-OK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:42:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46724 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9Gjy-0005im-76 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9Gjd-0005ZA-4l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:42:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9GjX-0007Of-BO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9GjX-0007OU-4s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9GjV-000316-AV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from e178190142.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.190.142]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from tjolitz by e178190142.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:42:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e178190142.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:az7QziqKV5gg+S9MtAKNbHdyHO8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92846 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> ,------------------------------------------------------------------- >> | Buy some Apple product, e.g. an iPad, and never ever touch Emacs nor Gnus. >> `------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please do not promote proprietary software on gnu.* newsgroups. I did not mean to promote proprietary software, I just reported some empirical evidence from real life: I witnessed first hand how this famous fancy proprietary hardware/software product was adapted by a group of 70+ year old people that never had anything to do with computers, and how it spread joy and excitement among them, how they told all their friends and family members who all bought it too, and how quick this flat fancy tablet made them part of the modern world of communication and information. Thats REAL usability, proprietary or not. On the other hand I remember pretty well how hard it was to learn Emacs even for someone with years of Windows experience, and that configuring Gnus has been a real challenge, so I find the idea of exposing innocent grandparents to Emacs and Gnus quite funny. The OP's question most likely was a test-run for 1st of April 2014 anyway, wasn't it? -- cheers, Thorsten